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wired keyboard for Windows Mobile 5 devices? using a handheld PC as ext. kbd and/or display? mad.scientist.jr 02-21-2008
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Posted by mad.scientist.jr on February 21, 2008, 8:14 pm
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I'm looking for an external keyboard for my smart phone (Verizon
XV6700, same as HTC Apache or Sprint PPC-6700). I tried bluetooth and
would prefer a good old fashioned wired keyboard that would plug into
the phone's mini USB port. Does anyone make one of these? I am not
seeing one. It's amazing that they make these great Windows enabled
phones and iPhones and you're on your own if you want to use a simple
ps2 keyboard/mouse!

Or does anyone know anything about connecting the phone to a Win CE or
PocketPC 2000 handheld? (ie NEC Mobilepro 770, 790) Those have nice
keyboards and decent screens too if you can somehow get it to act as
an external "monitor" for the phone. The handheld PC has a serial
cable, PCMCIA slot, IR and CF slot. The phone has a mini USB plug &
mini SD slot. I would prefer a wired solution, if it's not too hard. I
have the old eMbedded tools 3.0 for the handheld (VB, C++) and Vis
Studio 2003 & 2005 for the Mobile 5 phone and a *wee* bit of
experience wiring & programming a microcontroller to do serial
communication. Any ideas, web links, warnings, etc?


Posted by Sven on February 21, 2008, 9:00 pm
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Ain't happenin'. The problem is that the USB port on your PDA, and most
current ones, is a client port. USB comes in host (like on a PC) and client
flavors, like most peripherals. While you can make a cable for Host to Host
communication, to connect two PCs together to transfer files for instance,
you can't make a client talk to a client. Keyboards, mice, etc, are clients.

Your only option is BT. Never seen an old handheld option to use it as a
display for a PPC or Smartphone, though there have been a couple of new
devices that do just that announced, but not released. They also were
suggesting around $500 for SRP. Comments put that as a bit steep.

Unfortunately the current crop of WM devices also don't have serial inputs,
other than over a BT serial profile. Back in the WM2003SE days, and before,
many devices actually had RS232 capability at the docking port. Direct
connect keyboards were available back then.

BTW, where did you find a Windows enabled iPhone ;)

--
Sven
MVP Mobile Devices
> I'm looking for an external keyboard for my smart phone (Verizon
> XV6700, same as HTC Apache or Sprint PPC-6700). I tried bluetooth and
> would prefer a good old fashioned wired keyboard that would plug into
> the phone's mini USB port. Does anyone make one of these? I am not
> seeing one. It's amazing that they make these great Windows enabled
> phones and iPhones and you're on your own if you want to use a simple
> ps2 keyboard/mouse!
>
> Or does anyone know anything about connecting the phone to a Win CE or
> PocketPC 2000 handheld? (ie NEC Mobilepro 770, 790) Those have nice
> keyboards and decent screens too if you can somehow get it to act as
> an external "monitor" for the phone. The handheld PC has a serial
> cable, PCMCIA slot, IR and CF slot. The phone has a mini USB plug &
> mini SD slot. I would prefer a wired solution, if it's not too hard. I
> have the old eMbedded tools 3.0 for the handheld (VB, C++) and Vis
> Studio 2003 & 2005 for the Mobile 5 phone and a *wee* bit of
> experience wiring & programming a microcontroller to do serial
> communication. Any ideas, web links, warnings, etc?
>


Posted by Christopher Fairbairn on February 21, 2008, 9:36 pm
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Hi,

> Or does anyone know anything about connecting the phone to a Win CE or
> PocketPC 2000 handheld? (ie NEC Mobilepro 770, 790) Those have nice
> keyboards and decent screens too if you can somehow get it to act as
> an external "monitor" for the phone.

That sounds kind of like the use case scenario of a device such as the Red
Fly mobile companion by Celio (http://www.celiocorp.com/products.php)

You will probably find it tough to find a wired keyboard for most of the
existing Windows Mobile PDAs. Most PDAs (including the HTC Apache if I
remember correctly) do not have the USB host functionality required to
connect to USB function devices such as HID keyboards (USB has two different
types of devices, hosts and functions with one of each type being needed for
a connection to successfully work). This is similiar to how most devices do
not have end user accessible serial ports.

Hope this helps,
Christopher Fairbairn


Posted by Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileD on February 21, 2008, 10:00 pm
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To add to the other two responders, bluetooth is the way to go...
primary reason? It has connection options with devices down the line
including PC's even in light of stowaway's announcement that it would
cease driver updates... which means the pocketpc specific keys such as
"OK" won't work, the keyboard as a whole will work with any ppc with
bluetooth.

Some of the early ppc keyboards were serial, each with a specific
connector for the pda it was sold for. It was possible to custom rewire
those for ppc's which had serial ports, but, in order to get the serial
data into the ppc's keyboard buffer, ppc specific drivers were required.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

Posted by mad.scientist.jr on February 22, 2008, 12:24 am
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Hmmmmmm.

How about IR?

It shouldn't be too hard to program an eMbedded VB terminal program to
send keystrokes from the handheld's keyboard to a compact framework
app on the phone. Getting the phone's app to then send the keystrokes
(& possibly pen/mouse input) to Word/Excel/Pocket IE/etc might be
tricky. Would that mean having to write a device driver for the
phone? Would Fast IR be quick enough to send data to drive a
display? Even just the keyboard part would be a better keyboard than
the folding keyboards.


On Feb 21, 10:00 pm, "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]"
<BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote:
> To add to the other two responders, bluetooth is the way to go...
> primary reason? It has connection options with devices down the line
> including PC's even in light of stowaway's announcement that it would
> cease driver updates... which means the pocketpc specific keys such as
> "OK" won't work, the keyboard as a whole will work with any ppc with
> bluetooth.
>
> Some of the early ppc keyboards were serial, each with a specific
> connector for the pda it was sold for. It was possible to custom rewire
> those for ppc's which had serial ports, but, in order to get the serial
> data into the ppc's keyboard buffer, ppc specific drivers were required.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]


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