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I have a programming background but never done Web Programming before.
I would like to get to Server-Side Web programming. I need your advice
for today best candidate to future web development, I mean tell me
which of the following do you suggest that I put spend my time and
energy on it so It has a good future and I can get a job or I can
develope great web pages and it does not obsolete soon:

Java Script
Others ....

For example if I become master in PHP is it a good path or any others
is the best candidate? Personally I think PHP gives me a rapid path to
get to server-base programming but I want to make sure it does not
vanish anytime soon.


Re: which trend in server-based language

soalvajavab1@yahoo.com wrote:

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Ugly language, and the market is flooded by young, enthusiastic (i.e.
cheap and clueless) developers who will either write awful code for you
to use, or undercut your projects.

Strictly "Bob's House of Websites and Fishing Tackle Shop" territory.

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Good choice for ASP, better than VBScript
Not a great language though (pitiful OO features)

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Huge commercial demand. Complicated to follow all the development
trends though. Fairly decent language, although a bit dated.

Great language, not huge as a web platform (i.e. hard to find
employment) but it's certainly capable

.NET  (several languages within it)
Do you want to be a Micro$erf ?

Ruby / Rails
Fashionable, but not good IMHO for anything beyond the trivial

Not a platform, but still worth knowing

Expertise is just assumed. You need to know it inside-out.

Dead, now lets take it out and bury it.

If you turn up on my doorstep looking for a job, I'll take someone who
has learned Lisp over someone who has built a couple of sites in PHP
every time.  I can always train you onto a new platform, but I can't
make you smarter.

Re: which trend in server-based language

And lo, Andy Dingley didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

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Especially since, if you're a Lisp developer, the probability of turning  
up on someone's doorstep looking for a job is quite high.

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Do you have a degree in anthropology?  I was wondering, because it seems  
to me you are drawing conclusions about someone's intelligence based  
solely on the tools they use.


The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the  
pitfall corollary that nothing is ridiculous.
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Re: which trend in server-based language

Andy Dingley wrote:

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If you develop in Perl, Python, or Ruby you _are_ , to a considerable
extent, a Lisp developer.  These derivative languages have closer ties
to the operating system and a more palatable syntax for many (although I
predict hearing screams about Perl), and they don't do everything in a
lispy way, but they are quite similar to lisp, and clearly largely
derived from its ideas.

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mbstevens wrote:

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Bollocks.  Duck typing doesn't make it Lisp.

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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:34:55 -0800, Andy Dingley wrote:

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Odd, I don't seem to remember mentioning dynamic (duck) typing.

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On 2006-11-24, soalvajavab1@yahoo.com wrote:
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    I use shell scripts for CGI programs and PostScript (converted to
    JPG, GIF or PNG with ImageMagick) for graphics. I've used
    JavaScript on one page, but haven't needed it or anything else

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   Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Re: which trend in server-based language

Almost all web programming is server side though I'm not sure where
ajax fits in.

All of Yahoo is written in PHP so it's not going away anytime soon.

Javascript is client side, and like HTML and CSS, it's assumed you know
enough of it with whatever your main language is.  It's also assumed
you know SQL in addition to a general-purpose programming language.

Hard core server-side is Java, which is not easy to learn, but if you
learn it *and* get some work experience in it, you'll have a job for
quite a while.   Microsoft .Net is also huge - asp.net, etc.

If you want to make a decent living pick something and learn the heck
out of it, whether "it" is the Java (not Javascript !) world or the
asp.net world.  Compl[e|i|?]ment that with html, css, SQL.  You could
start learning by taking classes, or get a 21 Days book and teach
yourself both worlds (Java and Microsoft .Net) so you can see which you
like better.

Say you pick asp.net, and you learn some SQL, html, CSS, Javascript.
Find yourself a gig - any gig - and start doing things.  Volunteer for
a charitable website, for example, or better yet take a low-end job
somewhere.  Just like being in a band, a paying gig is still a gig and
it's a foot in the door.

There are programmers who bluff their way thru, and programmers who
learn and learn and learn some more, aggressively going after new ideas
and features and releases and stuff.  Be the latter and in 5 years even
in the backwater midwest you can make 80k.

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