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## Re: What do you get when.....

Charles Sweeney wrote:

Most phone conversations take longer than opening an air vent,
sunroof, window, changing a gear or operating a switch.

Incidentally, eating an apple also takes longer than either of those
things. :P

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## Re: What do you get when.....

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This is applying statistical probability in a way that is inconsistent
with what you said earlier - paraphrasing: "if just one life is saved ..."

Many activities take longer - some are all the better for it ;)

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William Tasso wrote:

I fail to see any inconsistency. I never said I applied any statistics
on probability of accidents happening. Key word in 'if just one life
is save', is "if". It could be more than one, I don't know any of the
statistics, I'm just using common sense. And the fact that most phone
conversations take longer than any of the other mentioned activities
has nothing to do with how many kids are killed by drivers who are on
the phone. Maybe not even one kid was killed ever by a phoning driver.
Maybe 'phone induced accidents' have only scratched dustbins on the
driveway, I don't know. I'm only saying it's dangerous to not have
both hands on the wheel, for the reasons I stated in some other post
that I can't be bothered to quote again here.

As I said, I disagree. When steering moving vehicle.

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Els wrote

Irrelevant for the skilled driver, driving at the correct speed for the
conditions.

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl wrote in

Erm, maybe Mr Morrison isn't the ideal icon for road safety.

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Eric Jarvis wrote:

I think it's his eyes on the road rather than hands on the wheel where
he failed though :-)

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl wrote in

My personal suspicion is that the blame lies somewhere in between "woke up
this morning and I got myself a beer" and "the future's uncertain and the
end is always near".

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Eric Jarvis wrote:

Or maybe between "show me the way to the next whiskey bar" and "if we
don't find the next whiskey bar, I tell you we must die".

Which I find a real bad combo with "show me the way to the next little
girl" btw.

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl wrote in

I'm not sure who is to blame for that. Kurt Weill or Berthold Brecht. They
were both prone to somewhat strange ideas. :)

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## Re: What do you get when.....

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plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

The tittle tattle of the chattering classes makes not one iota of
difference to the suffering or loss.  The logical progession of
legislation according to outraged ranting is the nonsense we see coming

Kids jumping in front of cars?  we are talking driver error here - not
suicidal tendencies.  (I think the Darwin principal has been discussed

Depends how wide a view you take.  Every ounce of effort you put into
making and enforcing 'what-if' legislation distracts resources from real
useful activity.

Ask yourself if the purpose of 'what-if' legislation is actually to
prevent death.

No, the law is an ass.  It does not and cannot provide any protection.
What it does do is remind a whole bunch of folk to pay attention when
driving - frankly, I would question they have a right to drive if they
need reminding.

Which bit?  expensive or worthless.

Have you any idea of the cost of pushing legislation through parliament?

Worthless because it's a 'what-if' law that deals in 'envy' and 'maybe'
rather than any fact.

No one suggests anarchy (or did they?  maybe I missed that).  I'm

huh?  think I just tripped a flash-back.  must be all the stories from
Glastonbury currently in the news ;)

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William Tasso

## Re: What do you get when.....

William Tasso wrote:

Kids have a tendency to run after their toys when they roll onto the
street. They're not suicidal, they just happen to die when a car hits
them on their way to the ball/frisbee/kite/marble.

'Real useful activity' like what? Making sure your mortgage rate
doesn't hit the roof? Enforce legislation about the exact amount of
tax on the use of clean water?

I prefer to be so naive as to think so, yes. Or at least to prevent
harm.

All of it. The entire post(s) really.

You are the one who is stating that laws only cost money and don't
offer protection, hence, are useless. This sounds like anarchy to me.
No laws, no rules, people's own personal responsibility to keep
mankind sane. Maybe I missed something in your post, but I read you
say laws are superfluous unnecessary and expensive pink elephants.

I bet you there are rules even at the Glastonbury mudfest.

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Yes - it's true.  In every culture I ever heard of parents are responsible
for their childrens actions until they reach the 'age of reason'.  I know
of no responsible adult that encourages (or even allows) their children to
make play-time on a road used by motor vehicles.  The consequences here
are entirely predictable.

Ok - those are your choices.  I would prefer to use resources to research
the great health issues of our time, educate and inform children and

These laws yes, not all laws.

Rather, I think you read too much.

'what-if' laws are an unnecessary waste of resources.  Personal
responsibility extends to facing up the consequences of your actions.  I'd
suggest that certainly means recompense and possibly punishment too - I
don't know - that would depend on the circumstances.

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William Tasso

## Re: What do you get when.....

William Tasso wrote:

You can't seriously be saying that parents who let their kids play on
the pavement are irresponsible? Should they build a 2 meter high
barbed wire fence between the road and the pavement, with locks on the
gates, to which only the parents have keys, which should be locked in
a solid steal box which is protected by an alpha-numerical hard to
imagine or remember password? (sorry, just felt like exaggerating a
bit)

That's being done too. And no, the choice wasn't mine. The problem
with laws and enforcing legislations is, that everybody wants the
law(s) to be enforced for everybody but themselves. Home owners want
low mortgage rates, parents want safe playgrounds, animal lovers want
better animal rights, and car owners want lower prices for gas. As
Eric said before, the law has to cover all, not just Jack or Jill's
favourite.

Misread you then, I thought you said 'the law'.

Just the words 'the' and 'law'.

I don't think there are 'what-if' laws really. I know what you mean,
but I look at it in a different way.

Speeding in the city is prohibited. It's not a 'what-if' law. Speeding
is not prohibited because "what if a child were crossing the road when
you are speeding?". It's prohibited because it's dangerous in a
certain circumstance, being driving a car in city where people live.

Driving whilst phoning is not a 'what-if' law. It's not prohibitied
because "what if you aren't quick enough to grab the wheel if anything
happens". It's prohibited because it's dangerous in a certain
circumstance, being driving a car.

I know you don't agree, but I'll leave it at this. End of thread for
me, I get tired of it, and I have other things to do.

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I most certainly am.  I'd even go so far as to invoke Darwin in such
circumstances.

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William Tasso

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William Tasso wrote:

That's the end of kids outside the house in the city then.

Just so you know: I'm a very irresponsible parent, as my 5 and 6 year
olds aren't just allowed to play outside the house, but I let them
cross the street by themselves too. Unsupervised even. The street
isn't busy at all, and the stone humps that are only 20 meters apart
do slow down any 4-wheel traffic, but yes, it is possible one gets hit
sometime. I take that risk, it's better than have them spend all their
entire youth inside the house while their friends are playing outside.

(hint: not all city people have a fenced garden)

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl wrote in

The way I was taught to drive is that if there are kids around you assume
they may run in front of the car at any moment and drive accordingly.
Which doesn't mean you can't ever hit a child, but does mean it's
extremely unlikely to completely take you by surprise.

On the other hand that was back in the days when cars had indicators and
we were taught to use them. So I suppose much may have changed over the
years.

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Eric Jarvis wrote:

Indeed. I took driving lessons about 20 years ago, and although I do
remember being told 'don't go that close to people when you pass
them', I also was told to go faster when I was being cautious because
of kids on the pavement.

Did have to use the indicators though :-)

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els wrote:

That's easy to explain:

Most people respond emotionally, not rationally.

Would you change your mind if I could provide one instance whereby someone
might die as a result?

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Tony wrote:

Probably not, as I still believe more would die as a result of the
opposite. I think debating the use of seatbelts has better odds of
changing someone's mind. I believe in using seatbelts always, even
though I know that there are occasions where they could actually kill

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## Re: What do you get when.....

Els wrote:

Tom Cruise believes there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

And some people believe that Halle-Bopp Comet is a spaceship coming to take
them back home, but only if they kill themselves...

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