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## Re: ot: interview part 2

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Els wrote:

[snip]

I'm not sure either but I get a lot of spam advertising "Solve your
financial problems the Christian way...."

^^^^

[1] A pound of feathers is *heavier* than a pound of gold because
gold is measured in troy weight.
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Norman L. DeForest wrote:

I'm lucky wrt spam I guess - all I get is C_i_a_l_i_s and the
occasional request for help with a few million dollars.

I wasn't aware of it being a known saying really... I just took a
known lightweight and a known heavyweight item :-)

Another thing I didn't know :-)

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## Re: ot: interview part 2

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Els wrote:

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Yes, one pound of feathers weighs as much as 1.215277 pounds of gold.

Reference: Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 51st edition, 1970-1971

1 pound, troy          =     5760 grains        [used for gold]
=     12 ounces, troy
=     0.8228571 pounds, avoirdupois
=     0.37324172 kg

1 ounce, troy          =     24 scruples
=     480 grains

1 scruple              =     30 grains

1 pound, avoirdupois   =     7000 grains        [used for feathers]
=     16 ounces, avoirdupois
=     1.215277 pounds, troy
=     0.45359237 kg

1 ounce, avoirdupois   =     16 drams
=     437.5 grains

1 dram                 =     27.34375 grains

1 grain                =     0.32399455 carats (metric)
=     64.79891 mg

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Norman L. DeForest wrote:

May I add that a Dutch pound is heavier than each of those above
mentioned? :-) A pound in Holland is always 500 grams. (I'm not aware
of an exception for gold, maybe there is?)

Much easier to calculate - kids learn it in school with their hands:
Two fists together: one kilo
two fists separated: is two pounds
10 fingers spread: is 10 ounces.

Yup, one ounce (ons) in Holland is 100 grams exactly :-)

I find the British system confusing.
1 stone is 14 pounds
1 pound is 16 ounces
1 ounce is 28.3495231 grams...

I can handle the 12-fold system, but I can't see why a pound is
divided in 16 ounces, but a stone not in 16 pounds, but only 14.
Doesn't make much sense to me.

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Els wrote:

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Both the British systems of weight and measures and their monetary system
have been great sources of humour for British authors too.

Quoting from a footnote in _Good_Omens_[1]:

² NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling
= Five Pee.  It helps to understand the antique finances of the
Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:
Two Farthings = One Ha'penny.  Two Ha'pennies = One Penny.
Three Pennies = A Thrupenny Bit.  Two Thrupences = A Sixpence.
Two sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob.  Two Bob = A Florin.  One
Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown.  Four Half Crowns = Ten
Bob Note.  Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies).  One
Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.
The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because
they thought it was too complicated.

[1] A very funny book[2], well worth reading.
[2] By Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman[3], Corgi Books,
ISBN 0-552-13703-0
[3] The US edition is by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett.  Sorry,
I don't have the ISBN for that edition.
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## Re: ot: interview part 2

Norman L. DeForest wrote

system
because

lol!  I remember having a thrupenny bit for my bus fare to school!  I
also remember when decimilisation came in (~1971) and all money was
spanking new and shiny!!

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

You mean that they spent more than 20 years getting rid of the one and
two shilling coins? I haven't paid attention last time I was in London
(January 2005), but I do remember the 2 shilling pieces that measured
the exact size of the (then) 10p coins, and the 1 shilling ones that
looked just like the 5p coins. Forgot when exactly, but somewhere in
the 90's the large 10p coins were replaced by smaller ones, so I guess
that's when the 2 shilling coins stopped being used? IIRC the candy
machines took both large and small 10p coins for a while too.

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Els wrote

Yep.  I don't know why.  The old "copper" coins were dropped right away,
but not the "silver" ones.  Perhaps it was cheaper to do this?

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Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the No thank you cafeteria

Any change in coinage seriously affects the auto-vending trade.  There are
still parking meters in many parts of London which don't take the £2 coin.

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William Tasso wrote

I don't know if Nederland have the Euro, but my mate in Germany said all
the prices went up when they changed to the Euro.  I was just a lad in
1971, but I do remember people saying the same thing.

Good point.

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

!!
How can you not know that! I know you have the pound! <g>

Yup, same complaints over here. Some of the prices that were in
guilders a few years back, are now the same in Euros. The offical
value of 1 Euro was 2.2 guilders though.

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Els wrote

Aye, but you lived here! <g><g>

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Always the way!

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

I knew you had the pound long before that! :-)

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Els wrote

And I knew you had Guilders!  Just wasn't sure if you joined the Euro.

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

Okay then - I'll forgive you <g>

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Els wrote

Thank you!  On that note, I think I will go and make my super-duper Chassy
Boy, Chinese-style chicken curry!

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

It's illegal to describe food without offering a bite!
(or at least it should be ;-) )

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Els wrote

Tee hee!  Well it's munched now!

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

Somehow I don't want a bite anymore now... <g>