# Non-paying web client - Page 3

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## Re: Non-paying web client

On 05 Mar 2006 20:26:24 GMT, TechnoHippie

All domain names are literal. You can't even use underlines.

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And lo, Paul Ding didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

It was not so gracious, but thank you for admitting you were wrong and
conceding this debate.  Likewise I am also glad it is over.

Grey

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Paul Ding wrote:

Beg pardon?

There is nothing wrong with *my* newsreader. I do not see, I see the
proper symbol

Whilst composing a post, type ALT plus 0163 on the numeric keypad. What
shows up?

As mentioned by others, you are the one with the broken newsreader. And
I can't figure out why an experienced person such as yourself doesn't
realize this.

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Paul Ding wrote:

Paul,
It must be a problem with your browser.  I am in the US and the original
post is most certainly 500 British Pounds and 1600 British Pounds.  My
browser reads the symbol correctly so I am pretty sure the issue is with

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I think you're reading a british currency symbol as a number "3".
Font problem mebbe.

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I notice that the "" (GBP sign) is on the same key as the number "3" -
would that be it?

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You are a clever fellow.

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Zena wrote:

Contract law is by agreement not necessarily by written letter, if you
can show it - in which case the emails may help. As others have
Bureau (CAB) sooner rather than later (I know this is easy advice to
give).

If you really want to get the money you will have to be firm. This is
difficult, since the amount involved is quite small in comparison to
legal costs.

He's doing this because he thinks that he can get away with it - so
you're going to have to fight or lose, (come on live up to your URL -
turning worm!)

Best of luck.

SCW
Speaking from experience.

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You should have paid them already.

Paying sub contractors should not be dependant on your own collection
regime. The sub contractors (outsourced peeps) worked for you, not the
client, so you should pay them on time and in full  regardless.

## Re: Non-paying web client

Zena wrote:

Doh!

Small Claims Court, and do it now.

In the meantime the site stays up, but with a holding page. Make sure
that this is _not_ in any way libellous - a link to the court filing is
nice.

Check that he doesn't have access to a copy of the site (i.e. delete it
from the server, don't just hide it) Otherwise yoou may find yourself

## Re: Non-paying web client

Hi all,

I have done some work for a friends husband and therefore did not get
him to sign a contract as I didn't expect any problems.  I have nearly
finished the site after months of waiting for things from him in order
to progress.  I have had emails from him saying he is happy with it and
that it was really coming together and looking as he imagined.

Then he went quiet for a while not replying to a few emails.  He then
piped up saying he wasn't happy with the site and that his friend had
had his website done much better in 1 week and for less money and what
I had done wasn't worth it!  The price I gave him was more than
reasonable as it was a friend.
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For the work you did, it does sound like you gave him a pretty good price.

I think you might still be able to salvage this job.

First, you should see if you can find out what his friends site is that was
done in a week and so much cheaper than yours... then explain the difference
between the two sites.  Years ago I had a situation that sounded similar: my
client wanted a full ecommerce site to sell his glassware online.  Near the
end of the job he asked me why I was so expensive, that the "guy across the
way" had his website designed for $500 and wanted to know why I was charging him so much. In checking the website for the other business, it was a 2 page website... a home page (photo of business, map to location and address) and a "contact us" mailto:____@___.___ form. So I explained to the guy that there was quite a difference between his site and the site I built for him. With that, I would say you should also: - Explain why you are charging him what you are charging: how much work you did, that you had to employ others, what each step entailed. - Explain that you have a verbal contract with him, even providing him with copies of his emails agreeing to the work. - Explain that you had to hire others for the work and you owe them for their work on his job and so that you can't just drop this because otherwise you are going to be out money from your own pocket because he changed his mind after it was all done. - Explain that you want to work this out and that you don't want to have to drag this out through small claims court or sell his debt to a collection agency to get the money you are owed. - In the end you might want to add that if he doesn't like the look of the site and thats his main concern that you are willing to discuss with him about making changes to the site, but that you need a payment, either the bulk of the money he owes you, or all of it - don't agree to change the look of the site and put more time into this until you actually get some money out of him If you have emails backing up his agreeing to hire you to do the work, or witnesses to the discussion if you talked in person, then you pretty much have the classic "open and shut case" and can get your money by taking the guy to court for the balance he owes. Anybody who says "you should just take the loss and chalk this up to a lesson in life" isn't a professional web developer and probably sees this as just some hobby they do on the side to kill time (much like your client probably thinks about you). You need to think about it like any other business: if you hired a plumber to fix some pipes, or a painter to paint your house... you wouldn't think you can just get away from having to pay for the work by saying "I don't really like the work you did and think you are charging me too much... I don't feel like paying" and then expect them to just say "Darn, I should have had a contract... oh well, I guess I have to chalk this up to a life lesson!" ## Re: Non-paying web client Auggie wrote: On the mark, good solid advise. Dont make frinds or customers your enemy, that is what courts and lawyers do. Courts are an sort of last resort, because if you loose, you can always call Guido ;-) Best regards Johnny Winther Ronnenberg -- Det er brugeren der bestemmer ;-) http://www.ronnenberg.dk/webaccessibility / Last: revision: http://www.ronnenberg.dk/webaccessibility/upcomingwork.asp (danish only) and http://www.ronnenberg.dk/webaccessibility/lettheuserchoose.asp ## Re: Non-paying web client And lo, Johnny Winther Ronnenberg didst speak in alt.www.webmaster: Where can I hire this Guido? I have a number of jobs I could use him for... Grey -- The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the pitfall corollary that nothing is ridiculous. - http://www.greywyvern.com/orca#sear - Orca Search: Full-featured spider and site-search engine ## Re: Non-paying web client info@turningworm.co.uk says... Regardless of what anyone tells you in this group, call a lawyer to get a legal opinion based on law, not the legal opinion of a bunch of web designers. ## Re: Non-paying web client Fleeing from the madness of the jungle and said: quite right are you sure about 'bunch' for the collective noun? -- William Tasso whither a trophy? ## Re: Non-paying web client says... bunch, group, gaggle - maybe I should have used "group". ## Re: Non-paying web client William Tasso wrote: Isn't it a google of webmasters?.....Just like a gaggle of geese..... -- http://www.samandjanet.co.uk http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZswampy_bogtrotterQQhtZ-1 ## Re: Non-paying web client$57.4756@newsfe3-win.ntli.net:

Since a googel is 10 to the 100th power, I'd say we're overshooting our
estimate of how many webmasters exist in the Universe, let alone in AWW.

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TechnoHippie wrote:

Must be coming close to being an accurate estimate...After all, it seems
sometimes that everybody's nephew, or next door neighbours son is a web
designer.....How many times have you heard a client say "I'll get my nephew
to build it for me. He won't want paying nearly as much".....That's like
saying "I'll have boiled cardboard for dinner, as it's much cheaper than
steak".....

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