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May 23, 2007, 4:24 pm
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You imply that you misunderstand the basic principal of CSS.
A web page utilising CSS enhancements should still appear fully
functional when the client's browser does not support CSS.
Failure of the page to do so, is not a failure of the browser, not a
failure of CSS, but rather a failure of the author of the page.
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Matt Probert wrote:
Who is talking about a browser that doesn't support CSS?
But along the way there has been some very buggy implementations of CSS.
NS4 and padding in it's box model springs to mind where you could have
a perfectly readable web page in a non CSS browser like NS3 and you
would have an unreadable mess in NS4 with boxes overlapping just because
you had some padding. I can think of some rather severe problems with
font sizing in more recent browsers (using ems or %) where you can wind
up with vanishingly small text because the browser didn't understand
What browser are you using that doesn't support any CSS?
Yeah yeah yeah. Seperating content from presentation. But if the
presentation sucks you won't have many clients.
It's not a browser support issue. CSS is supposed to be optional, so the
page still has to make sense when CSS isn't applied.
I disable stylesheets surprisingly often, usually because of inflexible
design choices by the author that impair usability.
And if the presentation is implemented poorly you won't leave your
client's visitors much choice but to disable or override author
stylesheets, or go elsewhere.
You are an exception. I doubt that even fewer people disable
But since the original question was the level of support for
min-height (the only thing snipped) I guess that nobody here knows or
cares about that.
Not a big deal, I'll just wait another couple years or so to use it
as it appears to not be implemented in IE6 windows. And my potential
useage was minor, in lieu of padding-bottom for very short pages.
I don't know what kind of websites you design, but I have yet to meet
a client who didn't care about page appearance. Frankly if browser
implementation of CSS was more uniform we'd see more commercial
tableless layouts. The only one I know of at the moment is
I never said appearance wasn't important. Too often, however, the
designer puts more importance on it than on usability - the old form
over function, make the web mimic print etc. mindset.
There is a happy medium. Please go find it.
You must be new to the game. The pro's, con's, browser bugs and work
arounds regarding CSS have been pretty well known around here for
several years. If you spent a little time reading the newsgroup
archives, you might learn more about it.
The fact that most big commercial web sites haven't made the switch is
irrelevant. They're probably too bogged down in bureaucracy to do much
about it, plus it's no small expense to overhaul such a site.
Perhaps you should?
Odd that you should say that as *you* clipped the section of this post
that shows that I've been around for quite a while.
You should also be aware that workarounds are just that and it's
possible for them to fail in the next generation of browsers.
If I could have found the list of which browsers support min-height I
never would have asked the question, instead of getting involved in some
weird tired old argument of web politics.
Complex tabless layout are not trivial. If support for inline-block was
more widespread this would be much easier.
They're probably too bogged down in bureaucracy to do much
No browser will ever support 100% of CSS (or anything else) and be
bug-free about it. Just about any property/value/whatever you have a
mind to use may not work correctly in some browser. Accept that and move on.
You didn't look very hard
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