How churlish...

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...would it be to change the news items on a multi-million pound
companies website?

You see I left a back-door into the news system (can't remember what
for) and the client in question hasn't paid me for over 150 days.

I was wondering if along with all the other announcements they add to
there news page (and scrolling banner) they'd like a report about not
paying clients?

And of course I'd change the password for the news admin page. I know
they'd be able to pull it - but not that quickly as they're tech guys
are utter baboons.

Or should I continue the diplomatic route of phoning their accounts
department for the 500th time?

Re: How churlish... cleared their throat and muttered...
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they can probably afford better lawyers than you.

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in case you didn't get paid?

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you're a supplier, not a client.

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better idea but first...
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phone the person that employed you and ask where the problem lies, then tell
him/her you're suspending their news system.

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Are you prepared to be amazed how quickly they have you arrested (in spite
of how slowly they pay)?  Maybe out of spite they'll turn their (sp!) high-
paid lawyers on you to get damages.

John Redmond

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John Redmond wrote:
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lol - Perhaps so. What about suspending their news-service?

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And lo, Stefan Walker didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

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Unless you've put "disabling the website" in your contract as a specified  
action you'll take if you aren't paid, you'll more than likely be painted  
as the wrongdoer here.  At least in the eyes of the law.

Ask a laywer what you should do.


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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:20:29 +0000, Stefan Walker

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Send a final demand, and if they don't pay within 7 days pass the
matter to a debt collection agency.

This multi-million pound company didn't get rich by paying their

Oh, but don't make any unauthorised changes to their computer systems.
It's a *VERY* serious offence here in the UK (you are in the UK ?)

Incidentally, you may like to support the call for legislation that
makes it a crime for companies to fail to pay invoices within 30 days
(as in Europe).


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You'd be subject to the same anti-hacking laws as anybody else --
possibly *plus* added liability for having left the backdoor in the
first place.  I strongly suggest you *not* give in to the (completely
understandable) temptation.  I hope blowing off steam here has helped
you with that!

What you're proposing is inherently public.  Do you want future
clients finding that if they research your history before hiring you?
It'll look bad to them -- at the *very best*, perhaps they'll accept
your story about late payment (I'm not doubting it myself, but will
every potential client assume you're right and the client was all in
the wrong?).
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It'd be pretty bad.

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Just leaving a backdoor is bad business practice. If I did that, I would
VERY quickly hear about it. (well, especially in my case)

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Screw the accounts department. Get at their PR dept, (who will of
course try and get you off the line) as they're doing that, try and
get them (or any suitable dept for that matter) to give you a referral
to the CEO.

Contact the CEO (You'll likely get a secretary/assistant) tell them the PR.
department referred you. (PR is probably one of the depts. the CEO might
actually listen to)

Try to get the CEO to refer you to accounts.

NOW contact the accounts dept with a "Your CEO's office referred me". They
better not brush you off this time, since the big boss is behind it. :-)

If you can't get the CEO to refer you, get anyone who is "above" accounts
to refer you, but make sure accounts KNOWS one of their superiors referred

Then, just be glad you don't work at conglomco inc. :-)

If this doesn't work, contact any and all those who are likely paid the highest
salary. Bleeding their financial resources and time. Find these people by
contacting the lower employees asking for their supervisor.

AT THIS POINT (and NOT before!) point out to whoever your talking to that the
company isn't paying the bills and you're concerned about them. This is
especially important when talking to the low people on the totem pole, as they
are the ones most likely to spread rumor.

Ask if they're in financial trouble or if it's just failure of the accounts
dept. to handle their responsibilities  (kind of a tier 2 approach) by doing
this, you will help to establish a "questioning" of the companies well being,
OR the competence of accounts dept. Hopefully leading employees to ask their
bosses "Are we in the red? this bill collector called and accounts refuses to
talk to them"

You'll get your money. :-)

Ain't life in the corporate world grand?

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No, you need to phone their legal department instead and demand they
take down your copyrighted works from their site and pay damages.  Of
course, you leverage might be less than optimal if you signed a bad

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I once had a situation where a client wasusing material that he hadn't paid
for. I delivered a "cease and desist" arguing that although it was a
contracted work (where copyright belongs to the one who hired the
contractor), the copyright remained with me, the creator, until payment was
recieved and the terms of the contract fulfilled. I was able to get Charter
Communications to take the C&D seriously.


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