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There's nothing holy about nntp that's for sure. Web-based discussion
groups kind of suck (imo), but it isn't necessarily because they're
web-based that they have crummy interfaces compared to nntp with a
half-decent reader. Usenet has been dying ever since I found out it
existed (according to some) but here it is, and here we are.
AWW is not the only group that's slow right now. Every group I follow
is slow right now. I think it's part of a collective groan that goes
out after people suck it up and go back to work after the holiday
Of course maybe all the "webmaster" types on the planet have learned
everything there is to know and there's no longer any need for
discussion, whaddya think?
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Its just not a pleasant place. I think there's only a handful of regulars
left who simply enjoy "proving" they are right. Unfortunately, at the cost
of what could have continued to be a useful source of information.
Newsgroups have always had their share of trolls and arguments over
semantics, but its just really sad in here.
+1 Tina I've lurked here for quite some time. It's the prevailing
attitude among the regulars that probably cause people to say; it's
just not worth the abuse.
Additonally NNTP is just dying. It's too much overhead for ISPs to
worry about because such a small minority of their users use it or
know what it is. Microblogging services have taken over and are quite
useful for getting information without requiring one to take abuse.
Pretty soon the gadfly's will have this group all to themselves.
Well, you make a good point, though I wouldn't blame it all on that. I
don't think this newsgroup has any more of that sort of thing than any
other, but when the traffic drops off quite a bit it can seem like
that's all there is going on.
A lot of good people have quit newsgroups in the past couple of years
because ISPs stopped carrying them for free. That has sharply reduced
the signal to noise ratio which in turn has driven even more good people
But back to your original point; if we want new people to stick around
and contribute then we need to stop stooping to personal attacks, even
when someone else makes a snide remark first, and most important - stop
equating getting in the last word with proving you're right.
I think it's mainy because of webbased forums, that have some
advantages over text based usenet:
1. they are websites and don't need dedicated software
2. they are websites and are easily stumbled upon when googling and
3. they are websites and probably look prettier and friendlier (well,
some of them) to non-techies
4. they are websites and show complete archives you can browse and
5. they are more popular and more used, so chances of getting help is
far greater there than on dwindling usenet
I agree with some of these points, but not all - but I don't want to get
drawn into a discussion of the pros and cons of forum vs newsgroup. Needless
to say newsgroups do have some advantages of web based forums, but you've
probably got a valid point that the increased popularity of forums (some of
which do seem to be just front ends for newsgroups) may be a big factor.
You can safely replace Usenet with "online forum/chat room". I
participate in a non-technical forum and it has had it's "typical
usenet" behaviour on quite some occasions. Topics like religion,
circumcision, penalties, you name it, somehow guarantee that people want
to kill each other and try to do so with words.
Anyway, I am still working on being more relaxed :-D.
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