Getting someone to give up a website

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Advice please ...

My child's school had a parent volunteer who created a school website
on their own three year's ago.  This website was not being updated on a
regular basis, etc. and our school council decided to go with a new
site.  None of the volunteer's pages were used at all in the creation
of the new site.

The principal asked the individual to redirect his site to the new one
or to let us park the domain on our new site and offered to pay the
domain registration fees and any costs involved.  This individual does
not want to give up his site at all and feels very offended at being
asked to give it up.

He refused to give it up at first and has now linked the out-of-date
items on his site to the new school site.  Then he agreed to have a
rotating index which sometimes went  to the new site and other times to
his.  (In addition he has a rotation that also goes to his personal web
design business instead of the school at all!)

Anyway, a meeting is on tap for this weekend and I am wondering if
anyone has any advice to offer or has ever encountered this type of
situation.  I know he owns the files, etc. on his site but what do you
do if someone is acting as an official site for a place that no longer
wants you to represent your non-profit organization short of
threatening with an attorney and then perhaps having to get one



Re: Getting someone to give up a website

Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
 From the safety of the cafeteria

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Was the volunteer offered any opportunity to contribute to this decision?

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A fair offer on the face of it, but was this offer made out of the blue?

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No kidding.  Is the domain name ambiguous or could it only refer to the  
school in question?

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Sounds a little churlish, but it seems he's been ignored, then pushed  
around when I imagine he would be expecting a little thanks and  
recognition for his efforts.

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Then the site will eventually die so far as search engines are concerned.  
Assuming you publish the URL of the new official site at every  
opportunity, on school leaflets, documentation, in the local library etc.  
then eventually the old site will be but a fleeting memory.  Remember  
schools have a high turnover (by design) - it won't be long before nobody  
knows of the old site.

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Choices now seem limited to flowers[1] or violence.

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See children how the grown-ups play.  ffs are you trying to give this site  
its moment of glory or do you want it to fade away gracefully?

[1] alternatives include[2]: chocolates, free beer & sexual favours.
[2] but are not limited to ...
William Tasso

Save the drama
for your Mama.

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I got into something like this for my daughter's school. In my case, the
parent would not sign off a request for an SSL certificate. I asked the
individual nicely a couple of times to tranfer the domain to the school.
At one point, he indicated that "he would consider transferring the

What ended up happening was that I sent him an Email requesting that he
transfer the domain to the school. I pointed out that since he had
registered it on behalf of the school, and he had no legitimate interest
in the domain, it was not his property. I told him that we would reimburse
him for the registration fees for the domain. I gave him a deadline of 5
days, and said that if he did not transfer the domain by the deadline, I
would appear before the school's governing body, and recommend that suit
be filed in local court to forcibly take the domain from him.

When I sent the message, I CCd key members of the governing body, and
several other people who were involved. I encouraged him to take my
message to his attorney if he liked, and to get professional legal advice.

I'm sure the attorney said something like: "The domain has no value, you
have no legitimate interest, and they're offering to reimburse you for
your expenses. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose."

He turned over the domain and that was the end of it. A couple of ignorant
people said that I overstepped my bounds, by threatening a suit. I just
told them truthfully that I said I would appear before the governing body
and recommend a suit be filed.

Obviously, there were some hard feelings over the final solution, but
since the guy was being really unreasonable already, I don't see how a
better solution could have been found.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:20:16 -0800, KC wrote:

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George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar

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<2 Dec 2005 07:20:16 -0800>

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Then totally ignore it .

Publish the new url in your local newspaper and inform the community the
new url is now the official website for the school - dont even mention
the old url in the newspaper advert or on your new website .

Traffic to the old website will soon dry up .

You offered him money and he refused .

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<musing out loud>
It is not shared if the school council tried to talk to the person,
with the older site, into having them update the pages more often or
supplied the person with the updated information they wanted on the
older site.

There was this borough that forgot to renew their domain name. Someone
snapped it up the moment it came up for grabs and filled it with sex
links and oodles of pop-up ads.

The borough, naturally, was outraged when discovering this but the
registar had proof they sent out notification of hte domain coming up
for renewal that were ignored. The borough tried to threaten the new
registrant into giving up/returning the domain name to them but he
naturally refused. And, if my memory serves me right, they couldn't
try to have him legally hand it over either.

They got a new domain name. Then started the process of contacting
_all_ sites that shared a link to their old domain name to update
those links to point to the new domain. After all, it was the links
already in place that had hte other person wanting to snap up that
domain name once it became "up for grabs" to begin with.

In any news stories or such, they included their new site URL.

The above may be a way for you to handle the situation with the school
web site thought. The other person can then keep up their older site,
which will not deter from the newer site if the person behind the
newer site plays their cards right, as the newer site can try to have
most of the links, and newer links, pointing to the new site which may
not share the same information that the other person has on their site
- and you won't have to do with 'rotating links' (which is not really
a solution) or going around with the other person (which may only
result in eventually heating up things, and that is never fun for
anyone involved on either side of the coin).

Side notation: These days, with new sites, there is this potential to
land in the Google Sandbox - which may have the newer site ranking
lower than the older one for a few months. Just be patient and things
should work out in the end if the older site is out-dated/not updated
as shared in your post.


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something that included:

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That wouldn't happen if the borough was using the right domain name.

The official site for state and local governments should be on a
*geographic* domain. For instance, or

Domains like that are free to obtain, they never expire, and like the
.gov and .mil domains used by the federal government, they assure
surfers that they are dealing with the official site. (Ever visit

  If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
  How come nobody can itemize them?
  And why can't fruitflies be one of them?

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Yeah, but some people put a lot of stock in having a .com domain name
- even if for a small borough's site and it was a .come domain name
that they let expire.

Was a rather humorous news story in this area about 3 or so years back
as the borough's council didn't think, while sharing about hteir
plight, so kept mentioning the old domain name (which had some
curiousity seekers checking out that site, I guess to make sure the
borough was telling the truth?) and didn't plug hteir new URL. Which
meant archived copies about the news coverage of the event shared the
old URL and not the new one - until they wisened up and started
mentioning their new URL instead of (still) promoting their old URL. .


Re: Getting someone to give up a website

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