# Enlisting volunteer help - Page 2

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## Re: Enlisting volunteer help

On 31 Mar 2005, Ignoramus19234 wrote:

> >
> >>
> >> Hm, that's interesting. This is the direction that I am working on
> >> now. To have solvers that show work, draw instant graphs, and also
> >> offer practice and "drills". Most of my solvers are such, but I need
> >> much more.
> >>
> > more along the lines of what you are doing?
>
> I need more solvers, yes. They all do the same thing, solve, show
> work, generate practice.
[snip]

A possibly stupid idea but[1] for generating practice...

There are some games available that are designed to help learn about
logic and equations.  Perhaps you could investigate them and figure out
how to create a similar game for algebra.  The games used to be advertised
decades ago in _Scientific_American_ and then the ads suddenly stopped.
They were available for a short while on the Internet and then references
to them disappeared except for rumours of financial problems.

I just checked with Google and it appears that the production of these
games has been resurrected.  Great!  Another resource for parents to add
to my web site if I can find the right place to put it.

The original first game in the series game was called WFF 'N PROOF (a game
about boolean logic using Polish notation).  Another game called Equations
taught arithmetic. Another game was On Sets which taught set theory.
Perhaps a combination of the features of the games (using variables as in
WFF 'N PROOF and numeric operations as in Equations) might be one way to
get kids to practice algebra if you could figure out an appropriate set of
rules for algebra.

"WFF 'N PROOF Instructional Games for Thinkers - Home & School"
http://www.wff-n-proof.com /

"WFF 'N PROOF: The Game of Modern Logic"
http://thinkers.law.umich.edu/files/WPGames/WFFNPRUF.htm

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## Re: Enlisting volunteer help

wrote:
>
> On 31 Mar 2005, Ignoramus19234 wrote:
>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hm, that's interesting. This is the direction that I am working on
>> >> now. To have solvers that show work, draw instant graphs, and also
>> >> offer practice and "drills". Most of my solvers are such, but I need
>> >> much more.
>> >>
>> > more along the lines of what you are doing?
>>
>> I need more solvers, yes. They all do the same thing, solve, show
>> work, generate practice.
> [snip]
>
> A possibly stupid idea but[1] for generating practice...
>
> There are some games available that are designed to help learn about
> logic and equations.  Perhaps you could investigate them and figure out
> how to create a similar game for algebra.  The games used to be advertised
> decades ago in _Scientific_American_ and then the ads suddenly stopped.
> They were available for a short while on the Internet and then references
> to them disappeared except for rumours of financial problems.
>
> I just checked with Google and it appears that the production of these
> games has been resurrected.  Great!  Another resource for parents to add
> to my web site if I can find the right place to put it.
>
> The original first game in the series game was called WFF 'N PROOF (a game
> about boolean logic using Polish notation).  Another game called Equations
> taught arithmetic. Another game was On Sets which taught set theory.
> Perhaps a combination of the features of the games (using variables as in
> WFF 'N PROOF and numeric operations as in Equations) might be one way to
> get kids to practice algebra if you could figure out an appropriate set of
> rules for algebra.
>
> "WFF 'N PROOF Instructional Games for Thinkers - Home & School"
>     http://www.wff-n-proof.com /
>
> "WFF 'N PROOF: The Game of Modern Logic"
>     http://thinkers.law.umich.edu/files/WPGames/WFFNPRUF.htm
>
> [1] THNSMB

Thank you, I am reading about them. I am very open to the possibility
of creating algebra games. I already have a very popular vocabulary
game on my site.

i
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## Re: Enlisting volunteer help

>
> Do you mean realtime? I do not handle that, yet.
>

yet. what looks good to you? instant message? white boards? VOIP or video?
i'm guessing video would be a hassle, chat might be inefficient but chat
with a white board might be a way to go. it would be easier to manage
groups of kids that way, with voice it could get out of hand. buletin
boards might not be timely enough.

>
> You got it! My secret is out!!!
>

they always think of armies of trained monkeys first.

> i

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## Re: Enlisting volunteer help

>does it have anything to do with taking over the world with an army of
>trained monkeys?

I doubt it, their advanced scout has already been identified and
neutralised.

Matt