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text/html editor question.. Frances 08-19-2005
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Posted by Frances on August 19, 2005, 9:35 am
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at work we switched to UTF-16 encoding and now when I open html files in
HomeSite the code is all messed up, and if I turn on "enable non-ANSI
file encoding" code looks fine when I open files but I get this error
when I try to save them..

"The character set defined in your document does not match the
encoding format you selected in the Save As Dialog" (even though I
don't do Save As, just save..) and sometimes doesn't let me save them
at all (says "file cannot be created" or something like that..)

so: I think I need to get a new editor.. I know I could search google
and find a million editors out there, but was just wondering if anybody
here knows of an editor with which I won't have that problem (and editor
has to be good also for css, JavaScript, jsp's.. I don't use editors to
generate tags or anything like that, I hand-code everything, but well,
have to admit I've gotten a bit spoiled w/all that color-coding,
although that's not essential...;)

thank you..

Frances


Posted by Warren Post on August 19, 2005, 7:47 pm
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:35:55 -0400, Frances wrote:

> I think I need to get a new editor.. editor
> has to be good also for css, JavaScript, jsp's.. I don't use editors to
> generate tags or anything like that, I hand-code everything, but well,
> have to admit I've gotten a bit spoiled w/all that color-coding...

I use and recommend Bluefish <http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/>. It handles
all the different encodings I've thrown at it, is aware of CSS, JS, and so
forth, and even color codes. It is available for Linux and other *nixes.

If you're on Windows, beats me. For a client I had to find a good open
source HTML and CSS editor for Windows, and in the end I failed.

--
Warren Post
Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras
http://srcopan.vze.com/

Posted by Lachlan Hunt on August 19, 2005, 11:11 pm
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Frances wrote:
> at work we switched to UTF-16 encoding and now when I open html files in
> HomeSite the code is all messed up, and if I turn on "enable non-ANSI
> file encoding" code looks fine when I open files but I get this error
> when I try to save them..
>
> "The character set defined in your document does not match the encoding
> format you selected in the Save As Dialog"

It sounds like there is conflict between the actual file encoding and
that which is declared in a meta element (or XML declaration for XHTML/XML).
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-16">

There are two possibilities:

1. The file really is encoded as UTF-16 (either BE or LE) and
the meta element declares something else. Or
2. The meta element declares UTF-16, but
the file is not encoded as UTF-16. If this is the case, then you
need to understand that simply changing the charset declared in the
meta element doesn't change the character encoding of the file.

> so: I think I need to get a new editor..

More likely, you just need to learn to use your editor and gain a better
understanding of Unicode. See this 3 part guide to unicode for more
information.
http://lachy.id.au/log/2004/12/guide-to-unicode-part-1

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Posted by Quasimido CSS on August 27, 2005, 12:52 am
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> If you're on Windows, beats me. For a client I had to find a good open
> source HTML and CSS editor for Windows, and in the end I failed.

1:
am using crimson editor syntax coloring for css, html, etc (ce chooses syntax
set by file
extension of file being edited, but user can change coloring set in menu)

it's a little glitchy, but useful enough that i'm not using my usual editpadlite
or metapad.

"spellcheck" is just a misspell marker. (as of now? or maybe i haven't found the
hidden
cfg?)

there are other syntax coloring editors. eg, pspad... which i didn't try.. i
can't recall what
dissuaded me.. possilby pspad uses java... i know i avoid .NET and java based
ware.

2:
topstylelite by homesite's orig author, nick bradbury, is useful. lots of
convnenices are cut
out of this "liteware" versoin. but what's there is useful for css,.
it "renders" using ie (i can tell, because mouse context commands from ie show
in
topstylelite :-) )

the rendering cannot show nesting, because nesting occurs in your html file, not
css file.
also some attribs don't render.
it has preselected element list, css1 css2 netscape6 mobile, ancient ie 4, etc.

unfortunatley no moz1.x (opacity for exmaple) set
that is currnet gecko rendering (firefox's ) category


3:
firefox with chrispederick's webdevloper xpi.
http://www.google.com/search?q=chris-
pederick+web+developer+%7C+webdeveloper
commands to w3's css and html validators.. can add your own to the list of
validatoin stuff
('stuff'' yeah, i'm QuasiNewbie, if you can't tell!)
some useful commands are not so obvious. show elements. show strucutre. show
other
stuff ,,, size, img, atribs, imgs off,, etc
toggle those (can set commands to 'persits' through page relaods, while you
fiddle wiht
something stubborn)

also i use googlebar or other search help xpi cause i'm googling for css info A
LOT!

4:
cse validator freeware versoin
useful for speed and directly editalbe file as you scroll thru erros report.
small nag at
shutdown.

5:
online: wdg validator


--------
rejects:
easycss 2003 (my breif tryout impressoin): sim to topstylelite, but less
feature/lesser UI.

nvu. inscrutalby breaks *and* scrunches your exisiting code. wait to try next
versoin. btw,
moz addons has a few nvu xpi, just edit the tail of the url
application=nvu

acehtml 5 (discontiued freeware ver)
fired it up but i think it was obnoxiously naggy.. somehting annoyed me
immediatley..

CascadeDtp
tried, was immed wrong (don't recall what)

amaya-WinXP-9.2.1[12Jul05.exe
just not useful
editing window too small.. i cna't recall other limitatoins.. but ... the sum of
other small
reasons added to "no".

layoutmaster recent relicware. free from westciv.
limited output. seems not useful once you already have basic layouts. (i'd
already mangled
up some layouts when i 1st tried layoutmaster)



---
reject before download (non css or other reason given in posts)
CuneAform



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not yet tried, but maybe...

Alleycode HTML Editor
(maybe, but html only?)

Selida2Setup.exe
may not try, seems output has problems.. (usenet posts)

css maguma
may try, though seems output has problems.. (usenet posts)


Top Dawg HTML Editor
(maybe, but html only?)

XStandard XHTML WYSIWYG Editor (FREE) .. standards-based WYSIWYG blah balh ..
webpage has silly blah blah long title
but wysiwyg may be useful.. not sure why i havne't tried.. just didn't get to
it.. "xhtml" is
too close to the end of the alphabet :-) ha. not the reason..
if this app deosn't f0kk existng code, then the wysiwyg could be very useful,
for draggin
and typing and pasting elements inot proper location. editing correct (intneded)
locatoins
with text editors is onerously ambiguous. time-consuming

also have fp2000 as part of office 2k, but somehow it hasn't been useful... not
worth using
again after poking at it numbers of times in last few years...

--

one of those, snapfiles or sofpedia, cna be set to filter for only freeware

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i'm sure there's more.. you can report your research and tryouts here (i added
xpost to
freeware group, since their msgs come up often googling this topic)









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