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swapping hard disks Salvador Freemanson 07-15-2008
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Posted by samurai on July 16, 2008, 2:35 am
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:05:05 -0400, Barry Watzman

>It's not a good practice, but the hard drive should be off in either
>Hibernate or Standby.
>
>
>Salvador Freemanson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I use a separate hard disk when my son uses my laptop (he didn't bring
>> his own with him), as I don't want to catch his viruses, him to mess up
>> my work, install godknowswhat on my machine, etc.
>> It takes only a few seconds to change the disk, once the computer is
>> powered down.
>> But I've just found out that my son doesn't always bother to power it
>> down. A couple of times he changed the disks while it was in hibernation
>> mode. And I suspect even on occasions when the machine was just in standby.
>>
>> Can any harm come to my laptop through this? On one occasion I got the
>> famous blue screen for a few moments before the computer went through
>> the coming out of hibernation process.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Changing a hardrive in Standby is NOT a good idea, as the computer is
on, with information in RAM. If you swap the hard drive in Standby
state, it will be screwed up when starting up. And, since it is on
technically, there could be potential for electrical damage to the
laptop.

In Hibernation, XP writes all information in RAM to the hard drive,
then shuts down completely. So it is safe to change the drive, start
the computer, shut it down again and swap back your drive. It will
start up from the last hiberanted mode.

samurai.

Posted by Mark F on September 14, 2008, 8:55 pm
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wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:05:05 -0400, Barry Watzman
>
> >It's not a good practice, but the hard drive should be off in either
> >Hibernate or Standby.
> >
> >
> >Salvador Freemanson wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> I use a separate hard disk when my son uses my laptop (he didn't bring
> >> his own with him), as I don't want to catch his viruses, him to mess up
> >> my work, install godknowswhat on my machine, etc.
> >> It takes only a few seconds to change the disk, once the computer is
> >> powered down.
> >> But I've just found out that my son doesn't always bother to power it
> >> down. A couple of times he changed the disks while it was in hibernation
> >> mode. And I suspect even on occasions when the machine was just in standby.
> >>
> >> Can any harm come to my laptop through this? On one occasion I got the
> >> famous blue screen for a few moments before the computer went through
> >> the coming out of hibernation process.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> Changing a hardrive in Standby is NOT a good idea, as the computer is
> on, with information in RAM. If you swap the hard drive in Standby
> state, it will be screwed up when starting up. And, since it is on
> technically, there could be potential for electrical damage to the
> laptop.
I agree that changing the drive from Standby is bad, but I think
there is a good chance that the disks may be physically find
but the data is in an unknown state on both of the disks, which is
worse than having two disks that you immediately know are broken.

I wouldn't worry about the chance of electrical damage, although there
is some chance.

A bigger problem is that the data on the disk is in an unknown
state, so the removed disk may not have all of the data on it that
you think it does. (There is a good chance that the file system
meta-data will be consistent with NTFS, but their still can be
inconsistencies and files lost since they weren't closed.)

Another possibility is what happens to the disk that was inserted.
If the system doesn't boot when after the disks are switched
the inserted disk might get writes that were meant for the first disk.
(I would expect that the hardware would reboot in the original
poster's configuration, if one tried the same thing with switching
eSATA drives there could be problems if the disk switch didn't cause
an error that the operating system sees and therefore puts the
drive logically offline.)

>
> In Hibernation, XP writes all information in RAM to the hard drive,
> then shuts down completely. So it is safe to change the drive, start
> the computer, shut it down again and swap back your drive. It will
> start up from the last hiberanted mode.
I do this with no problems that I am aware of. (In other words:
hibernate, switch disks, boot, hibernate, switch disk back, boot.
No problems found on either disk when looked at later.)
>
> samurai.

Posted by M.I.5¾ on July 16, 2008, 3:09 am
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> Hello,
> I use a separate hard disk when my son uses my laptop (he didn't bring his
> own with him), as I don't want to catch his viruses, him to mess up my
> work, install godknowswhat on my machine, etc.
> It takes only a few seconds to change the disk, once the computer is
> powered down.
> But I've just found out that my son doesn't always bother to power it
> down. A couple of times he changed the disks while it was in hibernation
> mode. And I suspect even on occasions when the machine was just in
> standby.
>
> Can any harm come to my laptop through this? On one occasion I got the
> famous blue screen for a few moments before the computer went through the
> coming out of hibernation process.
>

Swapping the hard drive in hibernate mode is perfectly OK. As far as the
hardware in the machine is concerned it is powered off.

Swapping in standby mode is a different matter. Some parts of the laptop
are still powered though the hard drive isn't one of them. The biggest risk
is some event causing the laptop to come out of standby while you are
removing the disc drive.

Parts should really only be swapped if the AC power is disconnected and the
battery removed. Of course if you do this while the laptop is in standby
then the session is lost.



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