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sending pages as emails prophet 02-10-2008
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Posted by David E. Ross on February 11, 2008, 9:27 pm
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 On 2/11/2008 7:30 AM, Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>
>> I am new to this so please be patient with me.
>>
>> I have a webpage for an organization that I belong to.
>>
>> one of the pages on the site is advertising some of the social events
>> that we do.
>>
>> What I would like to do is to email the page showing what the social
>> event is so that it is in its full format, and links back to the web
>> page.
>>
>> Are there any resource sites which can assist me?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Your browser should have such a feature, sending a link. There are
> reasons why sending a link instead of a whole page is a better idea:
> 1. Some email clients do not accept HTML
> 2. Some email clients do not render HTML
> 3. Some email clients do not render images
> 4. Some users have their browsers to not show images because they do not
> want to be tracked.
> 5. Depending on the size of the page, users on dialup can have a large
> download.
>

My ISP's spam filter works by scoring each message. A message with too
high a score is rerouted to a spam file. (Yes, I can retrieve messages
from the spam file.)

I just discovered that one of the "features" of a message that results
in a higher score is whether the message is HTML-formatted. That alone
is not enough to categorize the message as spam; but when added to the
scores for other features that might also be innocent, it might be
enough to dump the message into the spam file.

This is just another reason to avoid using HTML-formatting on E-mail
messages.

--
David Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Have you been using Netscape and now feel abandoned by AOL?
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Posted by Blinky the Shark on February 11, 2008, 9:33 pm
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 David E. Ross wrote:

> On 2/11/2008 7:30 AM, Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>>
>>> I am new to this so please be patient with me.
>>>
>>> I have a webpage for an organization that I belong to.
>>>
>>> one of the pages on the site is advertising some of the social events
>>> that we do.
>>>
>>> What I would like to do is to email the page showing what the social
>>> event is so that it is in its full format, and links back to the web
>>> page.
>>>
>>> Are there any resource sites which can assist me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Your browser should have such a feature, sending a link. There are
>> reasons why sending a link instead of a whole page is a better idea:
>> 1. Some email clients do not accept HTML
>> 2. Some email clients do not render HTML
>> 3. Some email clients do not render images
>> 4. Some users have their browsers to not show images because they do not
>> want to be tracked.
>> 5. Depending on the size of the page, users on dialup can have a large
>> download.
>>
>
> My ISP's spam filter works by scoring each message. A message with too
> high a score is rerouted to a spam file. (Yes, I can retrieve messages
> from the spam file.)
>
> I just discovered that one of the "features" of a message that results
> in a higher score is whether the message is HTML-formatted. That alone
> is not enough to categorize the message as spam; but when added to the
> scores for other features that might also be innocent, it might be
> enough to dump the message into the spam file.
>
> This is just another reason to avoid using HTML-formatting on E-mail
> messages.

Some people (I, for example) have local filters that divert all HTML email
to spam folder hell, even if their ISPs don't.


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Posted by prophet on February 12, 2008, 1:05 am
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>I am new to this so please be patient with me.
>
> I have a webpage for an organization that I belong to.
>
> one of the pages on the site is advertising some of the social events that
> we do.
>
> What I would like to do is to email the page showing what the social event
> is so that it is in its full format, and links back to the web page.
>
> Are there any resource sites which can assist me?
>

The thing with this, is that the users are asking to be kept updated, so
they will not see it as spam (and the fact that I will be sending it from my
personal email)



Posted by Stan Brown on February 12, 2008, 4:22 am
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> The thing with this, is that the users are asking to be kept
> updated, so they will not see it as spam (and the fact that I will
> be sending it from my personal email)

That is not how spam filtering works.

Most spams use forged From addresses, and it is quite possible that
spammers have already used your email address as a From address.

Even if not, spam filters generally focus on the content of the
message, regardless of sender.

As others have already told you, there are excellent reasons not to
send HTML mail unless the person has specifically requested the mail
in HTML (not just "keep me updated").

Why not do it right, and send plain text with an option to send HTML?
Or send plain text and include the URL "if you want to view this
message with formatting and pictures".

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

Posted by David E. Ross on February 12, 2008, 6:57 pm
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On 2/11/2008 10:05 PM, prophet wrote:
>> I am new to this so please be patient with me.
>>
>> I have a webpage for an organization that I belong to.
>>
>> one of the pages on the site is advertising some of the social events that
>> we do.
>>
>> What I would like to do is to email the page showing what the social event
>> is so that it is in its full format, and links back to the web page.
>>
>> Are there any resource sites which can assist me?
>>
>
> The thing with this, is that the users are asking to be kept updated, so
> they will not see it as spam (and the fact that I will be sending it from my
> personal email)

The users might indeed want this. However, their ISP may have
implemented a spam filter on their mail server that considers
HTML-formatted messages to be potential spam. It then merely requires
the presence of some additional innocent words in the message to cause
it to be relegated to the ISP's spam bucket, all before the user -- your
intended recipient -- sees it.

I'm somewhat fortunate. My ISP uses a spam filter that allows me to
review asserted spam and reroute selected messages (false positives) to
my inbox. (The last time I did an analysis, about 0.4% of the messages
addressed to me were mistakenly classified as spam.) It also allows me
to "teach" the filter not to reject certain messages in the future.

--
David Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Have you been using Netscape and now feel abandoned by AOL?
Then use SeaMonkey. Go to <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/>.

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