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I have been reading this newsgroup.  I put a post out here a few days ago
asking for some advice on SEO.  Since the name of the newsgroup implies that
you discuss this topic, I assumed I might get some basic guidance on

My websites have content to help pediatric and rare cancer patients.  These
patients are scattered all over the internet, in small groups or by
themselves.  I know, I am a survivor myself and have been working as an
advocate for 5 years.  In any event, I am trying to pull the community
together so that more people will find each other.  So, getting my website
out on the search engines if VERY important to me and to them.  Please don't
ignore my post.

If I am in the wrong newsgroup, could someone please let me know?  And if
you know what newsgroup I should be on, I would appreciate that info.  If I
am in the correct newsgroup, maybe one of you would be so kind as to point
me in the direction of your FAQ or basic guidance.  I had good search engine
placement until the last few months.  Nothing has changed on the site, but
something must have changed with the SE's.  I know absolutely NOTHING about
SEO, but I am most definitely willing to learn so that I can help these
patients find each other.

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My nephew is an RMS survivor --  a six year survivor at age ten.

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This should be the right place.

Do you have specific questions?

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I have several suggestions which might help.

I need to look at some things from a different computer and will not be able
to do that until this afternoon or tomorrow.

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This site is showing up for me on google for spots 1 & 2 for the search term
rare cancer.

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Yes, that is true.  But when I look up a particular cancer, like
rhabdomyosarcoma, I am not in that list.  In fact, there is no one in that
first page that is currently offering support to rhabdo's.  Same thing for
ependymoma and some of the other lesser childhood cancers.  There are a few
that are richly represented in support groups across the net, but there are
many more that are not.  So, my goal is to get to those people and help them
find each other.  Most of them will be searching by their cancer names.  The
list of names can be found one level into my website here:

and here:

Since the only link to them off of that first page is on the JavaScript
menu, maybe I need to add a link within the body of the first page
somewhere.  Would that help me to get listed for more of those particular

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My guess is that you would have to write a page for each of this rare cancer
place in the title tha rare cancer name as well as in the Hyperlink that
brings to that page and you will show up
- If you have too many pages to write you might need a database to handle
the site

I came, I saw, I bought it

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Javascript is invisible as far as search engines go. Any text will be lost.
Try using to view your index page -
that is what the search engine sees.

Also put all your "key words" in your title, description and keyword meta
tags. Filtering up from bottom to top so that your title contains the least
words and your keywords contain the most. This is not so important with
google but it does make a difference on some ogf the other search engines.

Make sure that the body of your document contains all the words in your
metatags. In fact use the body to make these tags rather than the other way
around. If you thing you are missing some keywords then you are also missing
the text in your body so add the details to your site.

Words don't show up in graphics either of course.

One other thing you should do is look at other sites that have a better
position than yours for certain searches and try and work out why by looking
at their site titles and body etc.

Good luck.

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As far as rhabdomyosarcoma goes it is a keyword but carries no weight becase
it never appears in the body of the page for which it is a keyword.

Perhaps if you have something to say about rhabdomyosarcoma then you should
either describe it on the page or have a link to another page that does.

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If you look at which is n03 for this word -
the site does not even have it in the keyword or title but it does appear in
the boby.

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Do you have a dedicated page for that cancer? Can it stand alone as a
web site of merit? If not then you need to build one, I'm guessing for
each of the rare cancers. Loads of work for you Sharon.

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You kow the engoines can't follow javascript menus? There's
effectively no link to it (bar maybe the site map but I didn't look at
that yet) so the engines prolly didn't index it yet. Nor is it likely
they will.

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Certainly would. I'm spending most of my time hunched over a hot
keyboard these days so if you want to get in touch and mebbe give me
the ftp codes I can have a look and a think.Won't make much difference
to my workload.


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The reason that you don't come up for "rhabdomyosarcoma" is because the
search engines (most) don't see it on your page

Google only indexes about the first 100K on a page... the page above
(rawadult.html) is 190K in size

The first 100K only goes up to (and including) "Hodgkin's disease, thyroid"

Everything after that is ignored by Google (if Google indexed everything on
a page it wouldn't take much for a person to come up with a page that never
ends - a server side script would just keep filling and then dumping the
buffer to Google, effectivly crippling a spider and possibly overflowing the
Google database)

Possible Solutions:

1) You could break the pages down into more manageable chunks... maybe 3
    So at the top of rawadult.html you would have PAGE 1    PAGE 2     PAGE
3 and each links to one of 3 pages with lists of rare cancers.  This would
probably be the easiest to implement, but not the best solution.

2) You could break the pages down alphabetically.
    So across the top of rawadult.html you would have  A B C D E F G H I J K
L... etc
    Then each page would contain the list of items beginning with that

3) Use a database.
    This way, you can use something like #2 (the alphabet across the top),
but also group by categories, and a search function.  Since you would be
using a database you wouldn't need 26 pages like #2 above, instead just 1
    The page is very wide (my monitor is at 1024 width and I still see a
scrollbar on the bottom) and you could lay things out better if you put it
in a database and came up with a generic layout for each item
    A better layout for your information would probably be:

NAME:  (name of cancer)
AFFECTS: (male/female/both)
BODY: (what part of the body it is found in: IE: lungs, leg, stomach,
throat, etc)
ALSO KNOWN AS: (list of what it is also known as)
SIMILAR TO: (what other cancers it is similar to... these are links that go
to a page like this one about the item clicked on)
DESCRIPTION: (description of the cancer, effects and symptoms)
LINK: (if a link to a page on your site exists about the cancer)
EXTERNAL LINKS: (links to other sites about this cancer)

To put this in a database you would need 4 tables
Table 1:  Cancer
ID   (an autonumber to give it a unique id... this is your primary key)
NAME (the name of the cancer)
BODY (the part of the body)
DESCRIPTION (description of the cancer, effects and symptoms.. might want
'effects' and 'symptoms' to have own field in table)
LINK (the path on your site to a sub page with more information)

Table 2: AlsoKnownAs
ID (link to ID in Table 1)
AlsoKnownAs (name this cancer is also known by)

Table 3: SimilarTo
ID (link to ID in Table 1)
SimilarTo (name this cancer is similar to)

Table 4: ExternalLinks
ID (link to ID in Table 1)
ExternalLinkURL (URL of link)
ExternalLinkName (Name of the link/site)

Doing it this way lets you have any number of "Also known as" and "Similar
to", as well as "External links"

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Um, well for starters you want to limit the keywords to around 150
characters including white space. All the rest most likely won't ever
get read by the engines.
You should put the javascript in an external file and link to it.


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1. Get rid of the fancy menus.  Use simple text links

2. Use a Site Map that is accessible from every page

3. Give each type of cancer its own page (or directory if you are going to
use multiple pages per cancer type).

4. If possible, link to all of these pages/directories from the homepage (as
well as the sitemap)

5. Use the name of the cancer as the link anchor text, the page title (meta)
and in the H1 tag on the page

6. Wait 30 days

7. Use that 30 days to get as many of the support groups as you reference to
link to the pages on your site relevant to their cancer of interest (i.e.

8. Go to #6 and repeat

Be aware that some of these cancers may face some significant commercial
competition.  Some of the highest PPC rates are for cancers that are subject
to litigation.  Don't know if that applies to your content.

On the other hand, you could use something like Google's Adsense to have
your site produce some extra income.  Might well support itself and then

John Merrell
Gateway Farm Alpacas
Fashioning the Future

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I did not have time to review the whole string here but I'm thinking
you're in the right place. I reviewed your home page also and it looks
like your on the right track but your meta tags need some help. Review
our for help and for more articles in general. I would also
recommend using as a good forum. Hope
these help.

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