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Re: signatures

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:01:20 +0000, Guy Macon
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I don't, what is it then?

Speaking of Newsreaders I've used Forte' Agent for NG and Email access
for quite a while now. For NG use I can't fault it, but it's email
handling isn't so good. Biggest problem is with multiple email
addresses you can't download etc... email from the same Forte' Agent
window, what you have to do is create a folder (on your HD) for each
email address and load a separate Forte' Agent window. Equivalent to
opening Outlook Express twice (or more), once for each email address.

Gets a little silly when you have half a dozen email addresses to
check daily!

What I'd like is a newsreader that is similar to Forte' Agent with
regards NGs, but more like Outlook Express for email, unlimited email
addresses in one window.

Anyone recommend a program like this?


Re: signatures

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:54:39 GMT, SEO Dave

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Dave, Have you tried The Bat from Ritlabs. It's purely an email
program but it's the most convenient program I've used when you have
multiple email accounts (17) as you can open the program, click the
mouse once and instantly check all accounts even if they are on
different servers. It's very customisable and you can easily create
individual folders within each account for each customer so that any
incoming messages go straight into the respective folder instead of
all bundling up into the one 'info' folder or whatever. I know it's not quite answering
your requirements as per your post for a combined reader / email
proggy but it's worth a look.



Re: signatures

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:54:39 GMT, SEO Dave

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three of yours, right? I know you get all the loonies here so I

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I use Agent for here but I use Eudora for email.


        seo that watches the river flow...

Re: signatures

SEO Dave wrote:

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As you know, some folks access Usenet through websites.  The most
familiar one is Google Groups.  Those users have no newsreader at
all - just a web browser.

Microsoft also has a way to access Usenet through a web interface.
It's how they tie their online support forums to Usenet.  Those
posts that come from the Microsoft online support forums get the
"X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000" header.

That header is actually a generic identifier for anything sent via
NNTP or SMTP using the Microsoft Collaboration Data Objects (CDO)
application program interface (API).  Anyone can use the CDO API
to post to a NNTP server.  Microsoft does it with their online
support forums.  Many people write programs in Visual C++ or Visual
Basic that use the CDO API to post to a NNTP server.  Alas, most of
them are spammers who use the program to make each spam a bit
different in an attempt to evade filters and as a high-speed sender
in an attempt to get as many spams out as possible before the ISP
nukes their account.  Virus writers who turn unsecured Windows
computers into spam-spewing Zombies also often use the CDO API.


Re: signatures

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There is no need to tell me the NNTP commands/responses that DON'T
reveal what kind of client is in use.  I am already an expert.
What I was asking for was the NNTP commands/responses that DO reveal
what kind of client is in use.  SLAVE does not reveal that information.
Quite the contrary; SLAVE reveals that the client isn't a user at all!

 RFC977 3.12.1.  SLAVE


   Indicates to the server that this client connection is to a slave
   server, rather than a user.

   This command is intended for use in separating connections to single
   users from those to subsidiary ("slave") servers.  It may be used to
   indicate that priority should therefore be given to requests from
   this client, as it is presumably serving more than one person.  It
   might also be used to determine which connections to close when
   system load levels are exceeded, perhaps giving preference to slave
   servers.  The actual use this command is put to is entirely
   implementation dependent, and may vary from one host to another.  In
   NNTP servers which do not give priority to slave servers, this
   command must nonetheless be recognized and acknowledged.

 RFC977 3.12.2.  Responses

   202 slave status noted

Thus your claim:

  "Any provider can give #'s of what kind of client is used
   to download the Usenet. Don't need to reply to messages."

Has no basis in the NNTP protocol.  You just made it up.

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Changing your claim from 90% to 50% the moment someone questions it
does not enhance your credibility.

As it turns out, your revised "90% use IE and 50% use OE"
claims are also bogus.   You just made it up.

The survey you cite contains "results from an independent survey
of Internet Explorer 4.0 Preview 2 users."  Thus it did not attempt
to measure the percentage of browser users who are IE users.  100%
of the those surveyed are IE users - because only IE users were
surveyed.  I have no idea where you got the "90%" figure - perhaps
by misreading the statistic that 92% of the IE4 Preview 2 users who
bothered to reply to the survey (google on "reporting bias") said
they like IE4?

The survey then goes on to say that over 50% of of Internet Explorer
4.0 Preview 2 users who bothered to reply to the survey used Outlook
Express.  That is NOT in any way evidence that 90% or 50% of Newsgroup
users use outlook Express.   You just made that statistic up.

Also, the survey is from 1997.  That's a looooong time when discussing
the Internet.

In the future, please refrain from making things up.

Re: signatures

"Guy Macon" < wrote in message

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Then something happening in 1983 for Usenet can be considered is real long
right? :-)

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Not that I was making things up I could swear I seen in a report in a NG.
But then I have seen IE reports(just in case you need evidence here is one )
be in the 90s and probably mistaken as that if most people use IE they
probably use OE, but then most of them as John and I discussed they probably
don't use it as a newsreader clinet.


Re: signatures

"Guy Macon" < wrote in message


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That I know.

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OK, you made me go look it up.

RFC977 3.4.1. IHAVE

IHAVE <messageid>

   The IHAVE command informs the server that the client has an article
   whose id is <messageid>.  If the server desires a copy of that
   article, it will return a response instructing the client to send the
   entire article.  If the server does not want the article (if, for
   example, the server already has a copy of it), a response indicating
   that the article is not wanted will be returned.

   If transmission of the article is requested, the client should send
   the entire article, including header and body, in the manner
   specified for text transmission from the server. A response code
   indicating success or failure of the transferral of the article will
   be returned.

   This function differs from the POST command in that it is intended
   for use in transferring already-posted articles between hosts.
   Normally it will not be used when the client is a personal
   newsreading program.  In particular, this function will invoke the
   server's news posting program with the appropriate settings (flags,
   options, etc) to indicate that the forthcoming article is being
   forwarded from another host.

   The server may, however, elect not to post or forward the article if
   after further examination of the article it deems it inappropriate to
   do so.  The 436 or 437 error codes may be returned as appropriate to
   the situation.