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port lockouts Dave 03-11-2006
---> Re: port lockouts Steven L Umbach03-11-2006
---> Re: port lockouts Phillip Windell03-13-2006
  ---> Re: port lockouts Roger Abell [MV...03-13-2006
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Posted by Dave on March 11, 2006, 1:13 pm
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is there any kind of security or other mechanism that would cause a port to
be locked out if a connection isn't accepted quickly enough by the program
that is listening on it?? Say a server program opens a port to listen for
clients to connect, but then when a client connects it doesn't accept that
connection for a long time, say up to 30 seconds or so. maybe other clients
also connect and are then waiting in the port backlog at the same time??



Posted by Steven L Umbach on March 11, 2006, 1:47 pm
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I remember reading the ipsec troubleshooting chapter in the Domain Isolation
Guide in which something similar can happen in certain situations if ipsec
is being used to protect traffic on the server via ESP/AH. You can read more
below if you are using ipsec on the server. If you are not using ipsec I
don't know offhand what the problem would be and it would be helpful to
determine if the problem is related to only a particular server service and
then try to find information about that service from the publisher
documentation and it may also be helpful to check the logs via Event Viewer
to see if anything pertinent is recorded, maybe use netmon or Ethereal to
capture the packet exchange sequence, use Port Reporter to record port usage
on the server, and verify that there are no conflicts on what service is
using a port with tools like TCPView and Process Explorer from
ysInternals. --- Steve

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/architectureanddesign/ipsec/ipsecch7.mspx

--- troubleshooting ipsec
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/TcpView.html --- TCPView
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=69BA779B-BAE9-4243-B9D6-63E62B4BCD2E&displaylang=en

--- Port Reporter

> is there any kind of security or other mechanism that would cause a port
> to be locked out if a connection isn't accepted quickly enough by the
> program that is listening on it?? Say a server program opens a port to
> listen for clients to connect, but then when a client connects it doesn't
> accept that connection for a long time, say up to 30 seconds or so. maybe
> other clients also connect and are then waiting in the port backlog at the
> same time??
>
>



Posted by Dave on March 11, 2006, 2:14 pm
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this is a telnet server app used as a chat type of system, no ipsec, just
simple telnet streams. it does have some features that use an access
database which can be slow responding, so new incoming connections aren't
always serviced instantly. we used to have problems with win2k-pro with the
5 connection backlog limit on that system's crippled ip stack, but have
upgraded to 2k3 server now and still occasionally see the port lockup. some
experimenting points to the possibility of a timeout instead of a backlog
hanging up the port, but i'm not sure where to start looking for that. i
have played with trying to turn off the syn attack protection, but that
doesn't seem to have helped.

>I remember reading the ipsec troubleshooting chapter in the Domain
>Isolation Guide in which something similar can happen in certain situations
>if ipsec is being used to protect traffic on the server via ESP/AH. You can
>read more below if you are using ipsec on the server. If you are not using
>ipsec I don't know offhand what the problem would be and it would be
>helpful to determine if the problem is related to only a particular server
>service and then try to find information about that service from the
>publisher documentation and it may also be helpful to check the logs via
>Event Viewer to see if anything pertinent is recorded, maybe use netmon or
>Ethereal to capture the packet exchange sequence, use Port Reporter to
>record port usage on the server, and verify that there are no conflicts on
>what service is using a port with tools like TCPView and Process Explorer
>from ysInternals. --- Steve
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/architectureanddesign/ipsec/ipsecch7.mspx

> --- troubleshooting ipsec
> http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/TcpView.html --- TCPView
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=69BA779B-BAE9-4243-B9D6-63E62B4BCD2E&displaylang=en

> --- Port Reporter
>
>> is there any kind of security or other mechanism that would cause a port
>> to be locked out if a connection isn't accepted quickly enough by the
>> program that is listening on it?? Say a server program opens a port to
>> listen for clients to connect, but then when a client connects it doesn't
>> accept that connection for a long time, say up to 30 seconds or so.
>> maybe other clients also connect and are then waiting in the port backlog
>> at the same time??
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on March 12, 2006, 11:01 am
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I was going to suggest looking into the anti-DoS behaviors, but
you appear to have already started down that road (syn attack
protection).

> this is a telnet server app used as a chat type of system, no ipsec, just
> simple telnet streams. it does have some features that use an access
> database which can be slow responding, so new incoming connections aren't
> always serviced instantly. we used to have problems with win2k-pro with
> the 5 connection backlog limit on that system's crippled ip stack, but
> have upgraded to 2k3 server now and still occasionally see the port
> lockup. some experimenting points to the possibility of a timeout instead
> of a backlog hanging up the port, but i'm not sure where to start looking
> for that. i have played with trying to turn off the syn attack
> protection, but that doesn't seem to have helped.
>
>>I remember reading the ipsec troubleshooting chapter in the Domain
>>Isolation Guide in which something similar can happen in certain
>>situations if ipsec is being used to protect traffic on the server via
>>ESP/AH. You can read more below if you are using ipsec on the server. If
>>you are not using ipsec I don't know offhand what the problem would be and
>>it would be helpful to determine if the problem is related to only a
>>particular server service and then try to find information about that
>>service from the publisher documentation and it may also be helpful to
>>check the logs via Event Viewer to see if anything pertinent is recorded,
>>maybe use netmon or Ethereal to capture the packet exchange sequence, use
>>Port Reporter to record port usage on the server, and verify that there
>>are no conflicts on what service is using a port with tools like TCPView
>>and Process Explorer from ysInternals. --- Steve
>>
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/architectureanddesign/ipsec/ipsecch7.mspx

>> --- troubleshooting ipsec
>> http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/TcpView.html --- TCPView
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=69BA779B-BAE9-4243-B9D6-63E62B4BCD2E&displaylang=en

>> --- Port Reporter
>>
>>> is there any kind of security or other mechanism that would cause a port
>>> to be locked out if a connection isn't accepted quickly enough by the
>>> program that is listening on it?? Say a server program opens a port to
>>> listen for clients to connect, but then when a client connects it
>>> doesn't accept that connection for a long time, say up to 30 seconds or
>>> so. maybe other clients also connect and are then waiting in the port
>>> backlog at the same time??
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Steven L Umbach on March 12, 2006, 12:12 pm
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Offhand I don't know exactly what to tweak but if you have not seen the link
below it may help in tweaking the registry though I would be sure to backup
the registry and System State of the server first. I would also try to
contact the publisher for advice. --- Steve

http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/823ca085-8b46-4870-a83e-8032637a87c81033.mspx


> this is a telnet server app used as a chat type of system, no ipsec, just
> simple telnet streams. it does have some features that use an access
> database which can be slow responding, so new incoming connections aren't
> always serviced instantly. we used to have problems with win2k-pro with
> the 5 connection backlog limit on that system's crippled ip stack, but
> have upgraded to 2k3 server now and still occasionally see the port
> lockup. some experimenting points to the possibility of a timeout instead
> of a backlog hanging up the port, but i'm not sure where to start looking
> for that. i have played with trying to turn off the syn attack
> protection, but that doesn't seem to have helped.
>
>>I remember reading the ipsec troubleshooting chapter in the Domain
>>Isolation Guide in which something similar can happen in certain
>>situations if ipsec is being used to protect traffic on the server via
>>ESP/AH. You can read more below if you are using ipsec on the server. If
>>you are not using ipsec I don't know offhand what the problem would be and
>>it would be helpful to determine if the problem is related to only a
>>particular server service and then try to find information about that
>>service from the publisher documentation and it may also be helpful to
>>check the logs via Event Viewer to see if anything pertinent is recorded,
>>maybe use netmon or Ethereal to capture the packet exchange sequence, use
>>Port Reporter to record port usage on the server, and verify that there
>>are no conflicts on what service is using a port with tools like TCPView
>>and Process Explorer from ysInternals. --- Steve
>>
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/architectureanddesign/ipsec/ipsecch7.mspx

>> --- troubleshooting ipsec
>> http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/TcpView.html --- TCPView
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=69BA779B-BAE9-4243-B9D6-63E62B4BCD2E&displaylang=en

>> --- Port Reporter
>>
>>> is there any kind of security or other mechanism that would cause a port
>>> to be locked out if a connection isn't accepted quickly enough by the
>>> program that is listening on it?? Say a server program opens a port to
>>> listen for clients to connect, but then when a client connects it
>>> doesn't accept that connection for a long time, say up to 30 seconds or
>>> so. maybe other clients also connect and are then waiting in the port
>>> backlog at the same time??
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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