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better? for what? that is completely relative, jerry, to what it is that is
to be done with said language. php is robust, but math is not it's
strong-suit and math is, after all, what the OP is talking about. i'm not
the original author enough credit to consider what tool is best for a given
job...something you're hinting at completely overlooking with that
no one is side-stepping anything jerry! well, you might be by asking the
question...but you did say you were wrong with your first statement that js
is exclusively a client-sided language, so, i'll lay off taking your
question about who has ss-js installed...for now.
what i'm curious about is what it has to do with anything. are your wanting
to know so that you can try it out or something? most any host will rent you
a server and configure it however you want it set up. since there are
multiple ss-js interpreters available to install and nothing preventing any
server (from a desktop po-dunk pc to a linux matrix server bank running
zeus), i fail to see how it is relevant to the OP. would you do me the honor
of filling me in?
oh, and if you're going to assumptions, make sure you make your leaps from
known points. you should have gathered that i and the 4 others you've asked
that of are saying the same thing - it is irrelevant...it is NOT because we
cannot answer the question. i'll be happy to answer the question by
installing it on one of my servers and answering, 'MINE' if that will
and that is relevant how, jerry? the answer is yes, they will install it.
how much is called 'shopping'. i will find the best value for my money and
the need of the package is going to dictate how much i'm willing to spend.
again though, why does this matter...at all?
Sure, I'll install it on one of my servers for you. It will cost you
$1,000 per month. You'll get 250MB of disk and 1GB of bandwidth.
After all - you said money wasn't important.
Now you're just being a troll. You won't answer the question because
YOU CAN'T. You can't because YOU'RE WRONG.
Go away, stoopid troll.
Remove the "x" from my email address
JDS Computer Training Corp.
i didn't say money wasn't important. what i DID say was that *shopping*
around WAS. the logical inference is that money IS important...otherwise,
why shop at all! now simply answer my question, what does 'what servers have
as it does, i fail to see how knowing what servers use it is germain.
what am i wrong about jerry? that hosts will or won't install a language
interpreter on a server at the request of a customer? how rediculous is
how am i trolling jerry? i'll answer your question if you simply give me one
good reason why it has anything to do with anything. you go ahead and
pretend someone is trying to goad you. fluff up those feathers if it makes
you feel good. just remember though, you spoke out of turn and were called
on it and, it's you who is choosing to disengage...just because you can't
even give a reason why you'd ask a question that hardly relates to the topic
btw, stupid is spelled, well, s t u p i d.
Well, I have a bunch of my own opinions and it's interesting how you
guys managed to make a competitive length out of all this and didn't
really say anything relevant.
I personally waited for the answer to where js could be found installed
for use by the clients. It'd be nice to know.
Just for grins, I went out to a bunch of ISPs, mostly business server
types, and asked if they would/could provide "java script" for me to
use. The responses ran from black holes to outright refusals to polite
"No, never" and such. More than one indicated I was stupid for even
asking the question and two said they knew of no other servers which
would allow it.
I visited a few webmaster newsgroups and got laughed at there and the
majority of responses tried to talk me into a better language, etc..
They all said forget server side js.
In the end, my small, tiny bit of research uncovered no one willing to
even consider offering it for a plethora of varyious reasons, even with
their "supreme, do-all, nothing missed", pretty damned expensive
I know I'll be crowned for not listing the sites, but it doesn't seem
to me that the ones that do not/will not offer js are the point; I was
seriously looking for those that would and found none. So ... which
ones DO/WILL provide it?
No, I'm not looking to use server side js; it's just that I thought
the question was interesting enough to deserve a response and might be
useful info for some folk here at the same time. Groups are suppsedly
for sharing information and ... .
So ... which ones do provide server side js?
I've not really been following the thread other than the first few posts
but I don't think anyone would realistically expect it to be a provided
service. But if you have your own VPS or dedicated server I guess you
could have what you want. And they aren't /that/ expensive.
Geoff Berrow 0110001001101100010000000110
i never expected jerry to tell me why he would ask the question. while i
would like to know myself, my point has been that it had nothing to do with
client-only. he offered a diversion in the form of this question to derail
the glaring oversite. when that diversion was questioned as irrelevant, he
simply used his typical 'troll' + 'stoopid' + 'plonk' modus...after trying
two other diversions to the original diversion in question (btw, those were
'a personal install doesn't count - not reliable' and 'doing it via a host
is expensive'). i simply kept bringing him back to task. since he never
responded as to why he'd ask who provides ss-js, obviously nothing ever
really came in the way of content.
on another note, i was interested too. for a couple of my comercial sites, i
use a well-known host (it's enough for me to know, i don't need jerry to
call them and ask so that i can feel vendicated...he wouldn't reply back
anyway since he'd be wrong...again). i pay - my clients, actually - for a
server of my own and can configure it as i wish...inclusive of whatever
packages i'd like. there is no extra charge - and i did check - for
installing ss-js. and, being professionals, they both knew what i was
talking about and did not laugh. they wanted to know how to maintain what i
wanted to install and would only decline if there were significant security
risks to other systems they have in place.
i'm all for sharing information, however that was NOT jerry's intent when
posing the question. answering it simply means he got some to divert their
attention away from a misgiving he emphatically and repeatedly declared. if
you don't think so, then ponder the lack of response to or acknowledgement
of the mention of Netscape's Enterprise Server. he's just not after a
specific answer to the question, any and multiple answers are what he wants.
they are more opportunities for diversion.
as it is, i'd never use ss-js and wouldn't expect most hosts to bother
installing it, even on request...unless they charged a bunch o' cash to
endulge our bad decision making. ;^)
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:41:34 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I've played with some of it back when I was looking for a single language
solution to client and server side scripting. It was much less trouble to
"Remain calm, we're here to protect you!"
Patient Guy wrote:
Here, try this on for size.
**BEFORE** anything is sent to the server.
If a php script is invoked, either via a page post or from the href of
an anchor or from an httpRequest, it is invoked on the **SERVER**. It
gathers input from the calling form in one of two ways. It can get that
from $_GET or from $_POST or both, depending upon the method of the
PHP can then send HTML back to the client for display. PHP does **NOT**
Is that clear enough for you?
- The Natural Philosopher
July 9, 2008, 2:07 pm
Patient Guy wrote:
Java SCRIPT (as opposed to java) runs in the browser exclusively. It
makes local decsison without reference to the server. This is great for
speed..you can change screen appearance fast and dynamically, producing
e.g. drop down menus and the like) at the expense of having to download
all the code TO the browser and more data than you probably need.
PHP is EXCLUSIVELY server side, and is used to generate context
sensitive pages, often coupled to a database engine. It takes as much
processing and decsion making out of the brwsers hands as possible,
cincentraying te cde where its more easily maintainable - on teh sever
Halfway huse s do exist - Ajax - where partial page reloads are done
dynamically, using I think javascipt on e browser and PHP server side.
Oh, its perfectly possible to pass commands from PHP to some other
engine: teh classic example is the Mysql server, which is interfaced to
PHP with a library ..but no one would ever attempt to execuste java
SCRIPT on the server, because its a bloody awful language, and is only
by and large written for broswers.
Once you are server side you can in principle write in any language you
like, PHP being just a common popular one, but shell script python, C,
C++. PERL Java and so on are perfectly possible.
saw that one coming!
servers...only one though, need be demonstrated to prove you wrong and
several have been mentioned in this thread. as it is, as long as you have an
interpreter, you can run any scripting language anywhere. but, based on the
quality of your posts, i've seen no sway from the norm in regard to seeing
you in err.
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
HTML-embedded class now dominated by JSP, ASP, and PHP.
John W. Kennedy
"Compact is becoming contract,
Man only earns and pays."
-- Charles Williams. "Bors to Elayne: On the King's Coins"
- The Natural Philosopher
July 9, 2008, 9:35 pm
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
CGI isn't HTML-embedded, by definition.
John W. Kennedy
"There are those who argue that everything breaks even in this old
dump of a world of ours. I suppose these ginks who argue that way hold
that because the rich man gets ice in the summer and the poor man gets
it in the winter things are breaking even for both. Maybe so, but I'll
swear I can't see it that way."
-- The last words of Bat Masterson
Ivan Marsh wrote:
I didn't know PHP was quite that old. In any case, in 1996, server-side
(Netscape Enterprise Server 2.0), and PHP was a personal project.
John W. Kennedy
"When a man contemplates forcing his own convictions down another
man's throat, he is contemplating both an unchristian act and an act of
treason to the United States."
-- Joy Davidman, "Smoke on the Mountain"
And, to the best of my knowledge, still in beta. When it was /released/,
Netscape provided it as both a web-client DOM engine and as a PHP-like
HTML-embedded web-server script engine.
John W. Kennedy
If Bill Gates believes in "intelligent design", why can't he apply it
which is beside the point. since js was NOT conceived in 1996, you cannot
say what the *original* context was - the intent of its authors. is that a
bit clearer? what coding project does NOT quickly scope creep once it is
birthed? virtually none. all of the ss-js may have been added after cs-js
was conceived. logically, we can't infer here based on it's non-beta,
initial release date.
i'd rather counter with a cite from one of the original js language
authors...like, 'this is why we created js...'. all else is speculation.