RFD: comp.databases.mysql

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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql

Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql    MySQL relational database system discussion group.

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.databases.mysql.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly
wide acceptance as a backend solution for developing data-driven
Web sites and applications. MySQL is a free, open-source, professional
quality database system similar to Microsoft SQL Server and Oracle.
MySQL is a more powerful alternative to Microsoft Access databases,
but without the expensive costs of other database servers. There
is no newsgroup for MySQL, so this is the time to create one for
the rapidly growing user base.

CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a Big Eight Usenet discussion
group for the MySQL relational database system. Any range of topics
that pertain to MySQL may be discussed in this newsgroup.

Do not post any promotional material of any kind to this newsgroup.

Posting of binaries is not permitted, with the exception of small
digital signatures such as PGP.


This is a request for discussion not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call
For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.



A pointer to this RFD will be posted to the following mailing list:

Mailing list name: MySQL Advanced
Submission address: MySQL-Advanced@googlegroups.com
URL: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/MySQL-Advanced

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:11 +0000, "George Augustino"

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Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:11 +0000, "George Augustino"

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Is this a "geeks only" newsgroup ? IMO a lot of potential users/
interest could be from windows users. If so then the name should
reflect that eg.


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Is that needed ? Aren't you stating the obvious ? "We don't want

IMO one of the problems with existing MySQL forums is that there isn't
enough promotion of existing programs ! A "newbie" has little idea
what is available if he is a GUI user.

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Wondering why you didn't post to the other email list ;

Mailing-List: contact win32-help@lists.mysql.com; run by ezmlm
List-ID: <win32.mysql.com>

Regards, John.

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:34:14 +1100, John Fitzsimons

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win32 would exclude non windows platforms. Why do that?

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Aren't you stating the obvious ?


 "We don't want spamming".

Advertisements != spamming.

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If it's needed, a comp.databases.mysql.adverts could be created.
What's needed is a _discussion_ group.  There's plenty of adverts on
their website now.

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Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

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There needs to be some distinction here.  For instance, an announcement
about a new improved phpMyadmin would be of interest to readers.  Some
would argue that that was promotional.

Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker /

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

:Is this a "geeks only" newsgroup ? IMO a lot of potential users/
:interest could be from windows users. If so then the name should
:reflect that eg.

Sigh. If all the geeks use Windows, then thank Zeus I'm not one.

Geez, talk about narrow-minded. I personally feel the group should be
named comp.databases-vic20
Looks like more of Texas to me.
.... Arizona, where the nights are warm and the roads are straight.

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

personal rights and business needs.  Because of
#   this, foreign governments must not be allowed access to the
#   escrow key."
#   - George Fisher - Chairman and CEO Motorola
#   "The NIST proposal states that the escrow agents will provide
#   the key components to a government agency that 'properly
#   demonstrates legal authorization to conduct electronic
#   surveillance of communications which are encrypted.'  The term
#   'legal authorization' leaves open the possibility that court
#   issued warrants may not be required in some circumstances."
#   - Robert H. Follett - Program Director IBM
#   "If people choose to deposit their keys with the government or
#   any other escrow agent, they must have some legal recourse in
#   the event that those keys are improperly released.  The most
#   recent draft of the escrow procedures specifically states,
#   however:
#     'These procedures do not create, and are not intended to
#      create, any substantive rights for individuals intercepted
#      through electronic surveillance, and noncompliance with these
#      procedures shall not provide the basis for any motion to
#      suppress or other objection to the introduction of electronic
#      surveillance evidence lawfully acquired.'
#   "Leaving users with no recourse will discourage use of the
#   system and is a tacit acceptance of unscrupulous government
#   behavior."
#   - Jim Hickstein - TERADYNE
#   "Wiretap subjects must be notified within 30 days after the
#   operation is completed.  If they are innocent, the government
#   buys them new equipment to replace that which was compromised
#   (per Lynn McNulty)...  Nothing forces agents to 'forget' a key
#   and stop using it."
#   "Placing all keys in a central location will invite foreign
#   intelligence services to either (a) impose similar requirements
#   in their own nations, and/or (b) seek access to keys

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

Aug 7th requiring
    New York businesses transmitting cash to report all transactions over
    $750. The order was not publicly announced. It is part of emergency
    powers. [President Clinton subsequently makes it permanent nationwide.]


    NYC Mayor and former federal prosecutor Rudolph Giuliani has made
    some emphatic statements proposing $100 dollar bills be eliminated
    to combat drug dealers. Perhaps all cash will be next.

*   On November 11, 1993, apparently tipped off by a friendly bank clerk who
*   thought Alvarez's redeposits looked like "structuring", the Internal
*   Revenue Service seized $88,315.76, the life savings of a hard-working
*   immigrant.
*   The government, of course, had no evidence that Alvarez was using the
*   money for improper purposes, or was in any way connected with drugs or
*   drug-dealing, for the simple reason that he wasn't doing any such thing.
*   In this case, under the astonishing provisions of our nation's asset
*   forfeiture laws, the mere administrative finding that Alvarez had
*    "structured" his transactions was enough to justify the seizure.
    We have Federal laws against terminating someone's benefits based solely
    (automatically by computer) on "computer matching" hits of possible
    ineligibility. But NOTHING to protect us from this nearly IDENTICAL
    use of computer data to terminate "benefits".
*   To the government, the qu

Re: RFD: comp.databases.mysql

   50. The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of
   traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological
   progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that
   you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the
   economy of a society with out causing rapid changes in all other
   aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably
   break down traditional values.
   51.The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the
   breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale
   social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also
   promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt
   individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their
   communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family
   ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern
   society an individual's loyalty must be first to the system and only
   secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal
   loyalties of small-scale small-scale communities were stronger than
   loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own
   advantage at the expense of the system.
   52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints
   his cousin, his friend or his co-religionist to a position rath

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