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Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

On 20/04/13 13:55, Arno Welzel wrote:
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give him some raw fish and he will go back under his bridge.


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Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

On 4/20/2013 10:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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Ah, yes, the troll who uses a 'nym because he's scared to death that  
someone will find out he's really an out-of-work ditch digger and not  
the programmer or EE he claims to be strikes again!

Keep it up, TNP.  The more you do, the more people who are laughing at  
you.  After all, nobody takes you seriously.

Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.

Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

Am 20.04.2013 14:41, schrieb Arno Welzel:
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Get what? This domain exists:

str@suse122-intel:~/Desktop> dig nowhere.dee @

; <<>> DiG 9.9.2-P2 <<>> nowhere.dee @
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 17975
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 16384
;nowhere.dee.                   IN      A

nowhere.dee.            0       IN      A

;; Query time: 68 msec
;; WHEN: Sat Apr 20 17:42:03 2013
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 56


Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

M. Strobel wrote:

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It figures that you would post the non-authoritative answer from your  
misconfigured nameserver to support your anti-social behavior.  That does  
not make your From header field value technically valid or socially  
acceptable, though, because an *address* there has to have at least a FQDN,  
which nowhere.dee is no where near to.  (There is no registry for the dee  
TLD to begin with.  Not *yet*, that is.)

Perhaps someone should inform your service provider to *make* you heed the  

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Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

Am 20.04.2013 18:01, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
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Haha, gotcha, you did not understand what happens.

This was one of the spamming name servers, they give an address for anything...
heard of it? Time to learn.


Address munging (was: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters)

M. Strobel wrote:

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No, I am not in need of their services.

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Why should I learn about how to commit network abuse best?  I for one obey  
the forms.

Instead, it is about time for *you* to learn what an address header is  
before someone makes you to.

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Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.

OT: Address munging (was: Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters)

M. Strobel, 2013-04-20 17:43:

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No it does not:

    error for name=nowhere.dee type=AAAA: Host not found

a valid address or that you own the domain nowhere.dee..

In < is very clear about this topic

Arno Welzel

Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:43:13 +0200, M. Strobel wrote:

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$hosts[] = "localhost";
$hosts[] = "nowhere.dee";
$hosts[] = "invalid.invalid";
$hosts[] = "";
foreach ( $hosts as $host ) {
  $ip = gethostbyname( $host );
  if ( $ip == $host )
    echo "Error - - host not found\n";
    echo " has ip address \n";

gives output:

localhost has ip address
Error - nowhere.dee - host not found
Error - invalid.invalid - host not found has ip address

What you have defined locally is irrelevant. Internet domains do not  
exist unless their tld is registered with the internet GTLD root servers,  
and there is a dns query path to the relevant domain nameserver from the  
internet GTLD root servers.

If you must obscure your email address, I suggest you use instead. Using <something>@invalid.invalid is just as  
bad as using any other made up domain name. (see <
domains/special> )

postmaster@localhost is of course another possibility, and should be  
valid everywhere.

Denis McMahon,

Re: Rejecting Certain Non-ASCII Characters

Denis McMahon wrote:

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Some exist even without being registered that way, though:

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That would be a violation of RFC 5536 by everyday (mis)use of the  
? SLD.  That domain, and the ?example? TLD, are for
not address munging.  See RFC 2606.

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Some NetNews providers argue that it is technically correct, as because of

|       ".invalid" is intended for use in online construction of domain
|       names that are sure to be invalid and which it is obvious at a
|       glance are invalid.

there cannot be a mailbox there.

However, the TLDs defined in RFC 2606 are not for address munging; they are  
?for Testing, & Documentation Examples?.  The example SLDs in defined in RFC
2606 are not for address munging either; they ?can be used as examples?  
only.  And the current (2009) NetNews RFC does not allow them:

| 3.1.2.  From
|    The From header field is the same as that specified in Section 3.6.2
|    of [RFC5322], with the added restrictions detailed above in
|    Section 2.2.
|    from            =  "From:" SP mailbox-list CRLF

That is, added *restrictions*, _not_ added freedoms.

Because using ?.invalid? (or another of those domains) in a *pseudo*-address
(RFC 5322, since at least RFC 2822: ?a mailbox *receives* mail?) prevents
e-mail communication in a non-obvious way (especially to non-English  
speakers), whereas e-mail communication *is* important to keep Network news  
clean of one-to-one communication (to clarify misunderstandings before they  
evolve into flamewars; to give technical or other advice that nobody in the  
group should know or care about; to arrange for personal meetings; to offer  
jobs because of obvious technical expertise; etc.), it is still considered  
anti-social behavior and is subject to killfile rules.

Use it for postings that you want to be read (by knowledgable people), *at  
your own risk*; consider that not being read (by knowledgable people) on  
NetNews is equivalent to not participate in NetNews at all.

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Nonsense.  Because it specifies a different mailbox everywhere, *if at all*,  
it is _not_ Valid.  ?localhost? is _not_ a *Fully Qualified* *Domain Name*.
It is the *hostname* for by default.  Unless you are running an  
MTA on the computer you are reading NetNews with, there cannot be such a  
mailbox.  And then it will be *your* mailbox you would send e-mail to, not  
the author of the posting.

Use that ?address? to annoy people to no end by spamming themselves (worst  
case scenario is a bounce days later, or an unexpected log file entry) when  
they are trying to give you friendly off-group advice (or in any of the  
aforementioned scenarios).

See also: <

The paper may be old, but its arguments are still valid.  Address munging in  
any way is *helping* spammers, and *hurting* the NetNews community,  
including and firstly oneself.  IOW, address munging is one of the most  
stupid things you can do.

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