Re: ActiveState module failures

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plugh wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:06:32 +1000, Sisyphus wrote:
> plugh wrote:
> [...]

Cutting to the meat of the issue.

I have recently joined the Perl crew at ActiveState, and all PPM issues have
fallen on my desk, so to speak ;-)

> Sounds like Active State has no intention of fixing their problems.

No, that's not quite the way I have been presented things. In the next couple
of months, a significant part of my time will be spent on
fixing/improving/redesigning major aspects og ActiveState's PPM building and
publishing infrastructure.

> Rather annoying given that without the perl developer community, they
> wouldn't have much to offer.  Yet they have no problems with falsely
> labeling a large percentage of the perl developers as incompetent.

Yes, that is quite the case. At a glance, the ppm repository knows of about
116192 distinct build combinations (that's OS, Perl rev, CPAN module, etc)
and about 55383 of these have failed to build for one reason or another.
Automated building & testing of third-party software isn't an easy task
(especially when the software is CPAN as a whole).

I expect these numbers to significantly improve over time, as the automated
build system is improved. Please, bear with us and you should see the state
of things improve ;-) Of course, suggestions are always welcome!

> Turns the relationship from symbiotic towards parasitic in my opinion.

Philippe M. Chiasson m/gozer\@(apache|cpan|ectoplasm)\.org/ GPG KeyID : 88C3A5A5 F9BF E0C2 480E 7680 1AE5 3631 CB32 A107 88C3A5A5

Re: ActiveState module failures

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:41:34 +0000, Philippe M. Chiasson wrote:

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Hello Philippe,

I am glad to hear that ActiveState is going to attempt to improve the
automated build/test system.  I agree that it's not easy - you've got a
big job ahead of you.  You may find some of the earlier articles in this
thread helpful to find a few starting points that might make significant
improvements without too much effort.

Hmmm, long-range, it might be useful to try to make some correlation of
your results with the CPAN tester results.  I'm thinking it might be more
effective to put effort into modules that pass all or most CPAN tests
rather than wasting time on items that don't even work on the "lowest
common denominator".  If you could add the CPAN results to your results
page, it might help people make more meaningful evaluations too.

Good luck with your new job,


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