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Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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Apparently so, a quick scan of the newsgroups indicates that's close to the
#1 most frequently asked question. (E.g what's the difference between
Windows Mobile/Pocket PC/Smartphone and Windows CE. Sometimes it's phrased
differently but there's a lot of confusion as the branding for Windows
Mobile makes little or no mention of Windows CE as the core.)

Steve Maillet
smaillet at EmbeddedFusion dot com

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I tried Palm OS and Symbian:

The big pro of Palm OS is it's connectivity with PC-Clients called
"Conduits". That means you can modify your data on both sides (Palm and
PC) not only with standard software. You can also do it with additional
software wich has also a PC Client. That's what I like very much and it
also works better than with other operating systems. Don't know about
Windows Mobile but you only could synchronize Symbian with some standard
Mail Clients and not much else.

Concerning phones I also think that Palm OS was more useful because the
mobile was more useful as phone. In Symbian you can play the Gameboy
Emulator and then you'll miss all oncoming calls. These are things that
should never happen on a smartphone.

Also a disatvantage of Symbian was the compatibility. The Motorola A925
although also a UIQ model wasn't compatible to Sony P900 Software etc.
Disadvantage of Palm OS is that they really don't have Multitasking and
that you have to convert all Fileformats to PRC or PDB.

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I guess Windows Mobile. Because Microsofts Marketing Strategy as well as
the fact that Symbian was shit and Palm OS is dead. Maybe you can get
the good computer connectivity of Palm OS with additional software then.
Also there are more cheaper Smartphones available with Windows Mobile or
Symbian now. And the name Palm often now stands for PDA/Smartphone but
not for PDA/Smartphone with Palm OS (e.g. ask for a Palm Smartphone and
they'll show you one with another OS).

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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Who cares.

Symbian. Phone manufactures like Nokia, SonyEricsson et al don't intend to
be commoditized by the OS vendor in the same way Microsoft commoditized the
PC market.

Whether that is relevant to ISV's is a different matter. For them, it is
which phones sell software.


Sander van der Wal

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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Do hardware manufacturers actually have the power to choose this? If large
operators like O2, T-Mobile and Vodafone want Linux or Windows Mobile
devices, I bet there are manufacturers who are willing to offer them.

At the moment it seems Symbian has been the most powerful in the consumer
smartphone segment when it comes to tempting applications and services.

Tero Lehto

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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I wouldn't bet my company on it. Microsoft has an annoying tendency to keep
plugging away at a market, coupled with an almost unlimited basket of cash.

Also, the US handset market is a captive of the carriers. A
Microsoft<->Cingular or Microsoft <->VerizonWireless alliance could catapult
a 2nd or 3rd tier handset maker into a large position.

Also, as more people start running apps on handhelds, and developing small
line-of-business (custom) apps, the development platform and tools will have
an influence.

Don't get me wrong - I carry a Symbian handset, and it's better than the
other smartphone offerings. But, I wouldn't place a large bet against

Jim Burks

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

Hello there,

I've been following the interesting thread about why/and why not/ PalmOS,
Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux.

But I am not interested in phones. I am planning (but now I have to say that
may be I was ...) to buy a Palm Lifedrive unit. Along the thread it's said
that PalmOS is dead, but it seems to me that some hope it's given to it. Can
you explain why do you think that PalmOS is dead an how can we give some
hope to it?

I read about the PalmOs gearing efforts towards Linux; to me it seams a good
way to reduce the OS development costs, and, plus, having a reliable
platform. Thus, from my newby point of view, it should assure a more focused
effort towards developing usefull features. From what I know, PalmOS still
owns the biggest part of PDA OSs.


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The biggest threat to Palm and its future as an OS, in my opinion, is
the fact that an increasing number of devices that use it, such as the
Treo smartphones, are just plain crap when it comes to quality.

I just converted to a Blackberry after having 2 Treo 600 handhelds go
dead on me within a year. I love the functionality of the Palm OS, and
the Blackberry's not as slick as I'd like it to me, but at the end of
the day, if a device is not reliable, what good is its functionality?

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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Hmm.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I bought my last phone based purely on considerations of battery life;
it came with a spare cell, and had a pretty long life battery to begin
with.  It's not that I kill off battery quick; it's that the batteries
just tend to tail off and die, even under a pretty *low* usage

(My mother has a cell phone that she almost *never* uses; if often
hasn't worked when she wanted it to because she doesn't regularly
charge it.)

I would certainly get pretty exorcised if I paid the huge bucks for a
Treo phone and then watched it go dead in a year.

We use Blackberries for oncall stuff at work; one thing that *really*
pleases me about the model we have is that the batteries are generic
and we can buy replacements for about $30, eminently reasonable for a
cell battery.

Nothing Palm offers today compares to that, simply evaluating based on
battery handling.  Forget about whether or not the Treo's are
more/less robust; that's a separate issue.

Actually, I get the sense that Apple has a *most* fascinating take on
things with the iPod that may be a potent step forward.  

- You can take iCal calendar files (in a "standard" vCal format) and
shove them in an iPod directory, and it'll turn that into an
on-the-iPod calendar.

- You shove pictures into a directory, and it'll display 'em.

- You shove vCard address information into a directory and there's a
local phonebook.

- Shove text documents in the "Notes" directory, and you can read

- And of course, it plays MP3s ;-).

As far as "conversion/SYNCing" user interface is concerned, that's as
simple a scheme as I can imagine.  It's not two-way, but updating
information on PDAs always sucked pretty bad.  (And I say that as
someone who has used Graffiti with reasonable success since the Palm

The iPod approach to these "PDA" features would have the possibility
of getting us out of the horrid interface lock-in that PDAs and cell
phones alike have so often suffered from.

A phone that lets you plug in SD cards with iPod style directories of
data would be most sweet.  A sort of shocking form of simplicity...
(reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.liamg" "@" "enworbbc")) /
If we were meant to fly, we wouldn't keep losing our luggage.

Re: PalmOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Linux

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Palm OS was the smartest OS. Easy to use, light, with long battery life.
Actually it's going to die. I mean that is going to die AS Palm OS. It's
looking for other ways of development. Palm OS 5 is obsolete: I imagine
that realize a "HTC Universal" with Palm OS would be frustrating... So
PalmSource/Access is pointing to Linux (better: to Linux kernel).

Windows Mobile is going to conquer the crown of the market. WM5 semms to
have solved all the problems that his ancestors had. I personally
dislike his "philosophy": I think this OS is too much similar to Windows...
It should be simpler...

Symbian OS: It conquered the smartphone market. Now it's going to face a
crossroad: it must follow the user wishes without losing its qualities.
Nokia preferred Linux for its 770. Palm OS is going to migrate to a
Linux kernel. Symbian OS risks to be relegated to the small phones...

Linux: It was never able to conquer users as Linux. Maybe it will be
able as engine for other OS...

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Impossible to say.
I think that WM is going to be the leader in 2006, with Symbian OS in
second place... Palm OS will bite the dust!

But in third quarter of 2006 we would see the first Palm_on_Linux PDA...
maybe something will change! ;)

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