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- Re: Don't order from Lenovo
- Rex Ballard
August 31, 2008, 2:43 pm
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I have had a similar experience. There may be legal issues or
negotiations or other business related issues, related to your delay.
I found out later that Lenovo was using the same batteries that were
exploding, and were holding off shipments until they could aquire safe
batteries. Under the circumstances, I'm glad they held it back,
because I got a good machine with a good battery.
This smells a bit like Microsoft Arm-Twisting. The fact is that most
Thinkpad machines have
been "Linux Ready" for years. The best one for Linux is the T61p.
You can also order that one with a WSXGA display or WUXGA display,
which is much more desirable for Linux users.
The Intel WiFi devices work fine with SUSE and will be automatically
detected. The "Thinkpad A/B/G/N" adapter uses an Atheros chipset.
IBM has adapters (binary only) that are available through other
sources, but unless you order the commercial version of SUSE and tell
it to replace the OSS drivers with the advanced drivers the Atheros
802.11n chipset may not even be functional. Best to choose the Intel
chipset for now..
Lenovo works best with LSB-3 compliant Linux, but also runs Ubuntu and
Debian pretty nicely as well.
I don't blame you for being upset. I'm not sure what the delay is.
It could be that Lenovo is working out some hardware glitch, or that
they are trying to negotiate a better deal with Microsoft that will
let them display Linux on Retailer shelves. At this point, I'm not
sure what is the reason, but they usually have a good reason.
The "Limitations" were windows only utilities that, for obvious
reasons were not
provided for the Linux version. Linux has similar functions built-in.
Active protection system parks the heads if the laptop starts to get
dropped. Linux has something similar built into the kernel, it would
SUSE Linux has YAST/Network, which does the same things ThinkVantage
Access Connections does, In fact, ThinkVantage seems to be very
similar to YAST/Network. Using the Linux "standard" configuration
tools makes it easier to get remote help from 3rd party vendors such
If you run the YAST "Software updates" and you have SLED, the update
manager will automatically load the thinkpad configuration tool.
Linux has it's own power manager and has better configurability than
either of the Windows power managers. For example, Linux
automatically stops spinning the hard drive when it isn't being used
because the user is doing something simple like updating information
on a Web Form.
SUSE Linux has it's own Wireless WAN adapter. They don't need IBM's.
IBM's OCCS does have ThinkVantage button support, but I don't know the
That is a legal issue. SLED provides this function. There is a
patent/DRM license involved.
These were "knee jerk reactions" to a warning that was very
appropriate. Many people who use Linux think it should act EXACTLY
the way Windows does. Rather than take a bunch of calls on "why
doesn't the thinkpad button work, they just let you know that it
He does go on to explain:
Right off the bat we found that that the fingerprint reader, the USB
ports, the integrated wireless (Wi-Fi and Bluetooth), the sound card,
the networking and so on all were well-supported and work as expected.
That is no small task considering how fickle Linux drivers can be and
how much of Lenovo=92s ThinkPad technology is proprietary.
There were a few other issues. He didn't realize that you have to
configure a XEN file before you boot into XEN mode (SUSE has a nice
tool for setting this up, or you can do it manually).
Very often, reviewers of Linux tend to focus on the configuration and
installation issues. I have yet to see any really good in-depth
reviewes of the actual operational experience of working with Linux.
SUSE Linux is the "Luxury Car" version of Linux. It's got all the
extras, AND it's solid and reliable.
SUSE Linux on Thinkpads is a whole new adventure.
Lenovo also has some new laptops coming out. You might want to look
at the new models.
The YO-710 for example has a 17 inch display. Lennovo also just came
out with a subnotebook that runs Linux very well too.
Re: Don't order from Lenovo
wrote Rex Ballard ...
I ordered Thinkpad T61 for which I explicitly chose Atheros wireless
card because FreeBSD has much better support for Atheros card
(6-STABLE via ath driver) than Intel ones (supported by iwi driver &
NDIS due to past experience with 4.x branch).
(Yes I know FreeBSD is unlike GNU/Linux system.)
Email address is broken.
Re: Don't order from Lenovo
I sure hope you didn't order it directly from Lenovo, because it ain't
coming. I canceled my order from them after waiting one month and
being told they need another month. I ordered a Thinkpad from
provantage.com yesterday and it is scheduled to arrive today or