Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

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New laptop.  Single 60GB HD, TPM present but, according to the manual,
disabled in the BIOS (requires to be enabled for its secutiry
features). XP waiting to install automatically on first switch-on.
CD/DVD, LAN connection, but no floppy drive.  USB ports, but may not
be bootable.

Want to have:

Multi boot: XP, Linux/Knoppix, FreeDOS, etc
Partition with data files such as word proc, spreadsheets, etc
Linux partition with Knoppix/debian, say
Linux swap partition

Have: Knoppix bootable CD.


How would you set up these new partitions, use a multi-boot loader,
and still have XP install without hiccup, together with Linux/Knoppix?

That the XP pre-install might not install if the NTFS(?) drive is
'not' 60GB.

Although GRUB worked happily under W98SE (using a sort of DOS mode),
unsure it would work under XP.

Manual suggests that TPM is used for SSL, WPA etc - does this mean I
'must' enable TPM if I want to use SSL, or WPA, under XP?

And if I 'must' to enable TPM, how would we create the environment I

best wishes,

Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

You can do a number of things:
Buy a 120 GB HD and do a clean format of this one leaving the 60 GB
disk as is.
Install XP like intended, install MS Virtual server 2005 (free) and
install linux en/or freedos within the virtual server. this has the
advantage that you can simultaniously can use xp and linux and other os
at the same time. memory is your only bottleneck. If you install the MS
loopback interface you can access the linux server with putty or run
apache and use your browser without having a network present. It's cool
developing like this!


Ronnie schreef:

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Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

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Efbo, thank you for the suggestion.  It's good.  I could set up FAT
and FAT32 and Ext2 partitions as I wished.  How would I transfer the
raw-XP files from the inbuilt 60GB drive onto a FAT32 partition on the
120GB drive?  And would XP install from there or would the install
fail some compatibility check?

best wishes,

Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:17:07 GMT, me@privacy.net (Ronnie) wrote:

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Apologies to the group - I think my question may be off-topic here.
Although laptop related, the query really arises in respect of XP
first initialisation, and I perhaps ought to post in an XP group

(Not sure which of the many, many MS XP sub-groups would be fruitful,
though, but I was thinking about alt.comp.os.windows-xp, but I'm open
to suggestions.)

I'll keep an eye on this thread, if anyone has experience of dealing
with new, TPM, XP, multi-boot arrangements.  Efbo's post is helpful.

best wishes,

Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

I don't know what TPM is, but I do a reasonable number of multi-boot
installs on laptops for myself, one about every 3-6mos.

1) Install XP first.  Always. It makes XP happy that way.

2) XP probably wants to be installed on an NTFS partition.  If so,
   don't try to move it to a FAT32 partition.  XP uses attributes of
   NTFS that aren't present on FAT32 when installed on NTFS.
   Attempting to move XP from NTFS to FAT32 will prompt you with all
   kinds of ugly warnings about attributes getting lost--I wouldn't
   trust a system after that happened to it.  If you want XP installed
   on FAT32, then install it initially on FAT32. That maybe a slightly
   harder proposition depending on how your particular XP installer
   works.  Some have the option of creating and installing on a FAT32
   partition.  Others, may not, especially if it is one of those
   "system recovery" type installations designed to get your machine
   back to some factory pre-configured state.

3) Once you have XP installed, you should then shrink the partition to
   make space for your other OSes. I like Partition Magic for that, but
   I believe it can also be done from either QTParted or GParted.  You
   can run those from Linux liveCDs.  (Note, if the resize fails, you
   may be left with a totally hosed OS, so be prepared to start over.)
   You can create any other partitions you want at this point,
   e.g. an extended partition with fat32 partitions for data sharing.

4) If you want an old Win style OS on your system install that next
   and install it at the bottom of the drive.  I keep a copy of Win98
   that's been hacked to do command mode only with a text copy of
   Partition Magic and system Commander (a multi-boot program I like),
   as the "first" partition of the drive, for absolute panic recovery.
   It fits in 100MB on a fat16 partition.

5) Now, that you have all the Microsoft OSes installed, you can
   install Linux.  I like to put Linux in the extended partition
   (because I actually keep two copies of XP in primary partitions one
   for home use and one for work, so that any software the is licensed
   to my employer doesn't get mingled with stuff I bought).  XP seems
   to fit pretty nicely in about 15GB.  (So I end up with, with
   essentially 2 15GB XP installations, a 15GB Linux installation, and
   15GB of shared FAT32 partition, on a 60GB drive.)

   When you install Linux it should offer you the option of placing
   grub not in the MBR, but in the "boot area" of a partition.  I like
   to make a /boot partition as the first partition of the extended
   partition, and put grub there.  I do that because I boot to grub
   from System Commander.  However, since you probably want grub as
   your primary boot loader, you should be able to install it in the
   mbr.  Check with the grub web sites for details of doing that,
   since you may need to save the NTLDR boot sectors that are in the
   MBR at the time you install grub.

This is roughly what I do everytime I replace one of my laptops.  It
works for me, your mileage may vary.  Note that the wise person takes
backups between the different stages of this process, because the
steps aren't 2-3 minutes, and it's nice not to have to backtrack too
far if you klutz something.

Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

On 14 Sep 2006 11:59:40 -0400, Chris F Clark

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Thorough post - I'm much obliged.  That must have taken a time just to
type out, let alone work out.  (Ever thought of just putting it up on
the web as one user's approach?)

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Actually it's TPM that worries me.  This is from the brochure:
"Trusted Platform Module (TPM) authenticates system platform to ensure
the highest level of data protection - a vault - like combination of
an integrated security chip with sophisticated data encryption

In the BIOS manual the manufacturer states that the TPM is used for
SSL - like when you use a browser to access a confidential online

But I know 'nothing' about it, or even about XP, come to that.  Other
postings on the web suggest that TPM is a special chip on which
detailed disk and boot configurations are stored, and which will
refuse to start if it finds any have changed.  Hence my concern about
installing XP first, and then changing partitions etc.

But presumably, recent laptops on which you've set up your recommended
system also have, now, a TPM.  Though I would have expected you'd
notice, considering the very low level work you're doing, so maybe
they haven't.  Yet.

best wishes,

Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

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The TPM isn't required for using SSL, WPA. You can happily leave it disabled
for most purposes. Even if it's enabled, there's no need to store SSL or WPA
on it. The main purpose is to securely store data off the hard drive, and
prompt you for a password when any attempt to access the data is made. Where
it does come in useful, is when using biometrics, smart cards etc. Also
Vista requires a TPM for the hard drive Bitlocker function. Below there's a
link to a FAQ from Wave, whom make Embassy Trust Suite, who's software is
found on many systems with TPMs.



Re: Ok. New laptop. TPM. XP. Want dual boot. What do I do first?

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:12:58 +0100, "Geoham"

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Oh, well done!  V useful link.  Explains quite well what is going on.

The Windows Vista Bitlocker might be the software that detects changes
to boot and partition configurations, so unless running Vista, then
multi-boot systems perhaps are not problematic under XP even on a
TPM-equipped machine.

Although I don't have any links to hand, while searching for info I
did see various postings that expressed concern about multi-boot and
TPM, but I now think they were all in the context of 'Bitlocker'.  At
the time I hadn't understood the separate functions of XP, Vista, TPM,
and Bitlocker.

best wishes,

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