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intermittant stutter watching recorded and live TV Luke Tractor 05-27-2008
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Posted by Rob Hooker on May 30, 2008, 9:53 am
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Try this:

1] Watch a LIVE Tv show that exhibits stutter (to verify it is still
stuttering)
2] Watch a few seconds of any recorded TV program (to stop the Live TV pause
buffer being written)
3] Record 5mins of the show you were watching in 1] above

4] Watch the 5 min recording. Does it stutter like it did when watching it
live?

=>If the stutter is gone when watching the recorded show, but is present
when watching it Live, then I say:
- its got nothing to do with your 8500GT
- everything to do with the bus(es) that the controller for your drive is
attached too...

My
2c

> thanks but heard this before, and have tried 50hz, 59hz and 60hz but no
> difference. running out of options. maybe go to xp :-(
>
> "Nigel Barker" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:25:00 -0700, Luke Tractor
>>
>> >Stutter is definitely worse when panning and ticker tape...why does the
>> >ticker tape come good and then stutter again, where are the bottlenecks?
>>
>> This sounds a lot like watching a 50Hz PAL signal on a 60Hz monitor/TV.
>> --
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nigel Barker
>> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
>> MCE MVP
>>



Posted by John Lockwood on June 2, 2008, 5:18 am
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On 30/5/08 10:38, in article lmiv34lvjiik58pl9her00cjb7um65099j@4ax.com,

> On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:25:00 -0700, Luke Tractor
>
>> Stutter is definitely worse when panning and ticker tape...why does the
>> ticker tape come good and then stutter again, where are the bottlenecks?
>
> This sounds a lot like watching a 50Hz PAL signal on a 60Hz monitor/TV.
> --
>
> Cheers
>
> Nigel Barker
> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
> MCE MVP

Could be right Nigel. I currently view Media Center on a computer LCD which
only supports 60Hz and 75Hz. Obviously 60Hz (the default) would be perfect
for NTSC but it was particularly bad for PAL, when I changed to 75Hz it was
much better (being that 75Hz is a better multiple of 50) but still not
perfect.

I will eventually be moving it to a large TV which does 50Hz and expect it
to be completely smooth.

As a different possible answer to Luke, if his signal strength is borderline
then he maybe experiencing occasional dropped frames in the poor signal. If
his stuttering is regular it is as you suggest a Framerate issue, if it is
random then it maybe down to a poor signal.

A much less likely possibility would be using an older, slower computer
which is struggling to deal with multiple tasks, again this would more
likely produce a more random stuttering.


Posted by P_J_B on June 20, 2008, 7:35 am
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Hi,

I am based in the UK and have exactly the same problem as the original
poster on SD TV (haven't tried HD yet). I'm running one of the latest Geforce
8200 chipsets with an AMD phenom, 2gb RAM, tried it with two different tuner
cards (Hauppauge and Blackgold) and verified the TV signal is ok. I've ruled
out all the other solutions discussed previously. 60hz video played back at
60hz refresh rate displays fine. However 50hz video played at 50hz refresh
rate gets this random stutter - can even completely disappear for a few
seconds before coming back. It is most obvious on news channels with ticker
tape.

I am trying to get this to work on a Vista machine (tried Home Premium and
Ultimate) but the weird thing is on a build of XP MCE 50hz video played back
at 50hz refresh rate is perfectly smooth as it should be. This leads me to
believe its either a bug with Vista or with the Nvidia drivers but as of yet
I'm not sure where I go to raise this issue and see if it can be fixed.

It is quite frustrating as in the UK our TV & DVD is PAL 50hz standard so
all the media I want to watch suffers from this problem. I'm guessing that,
because the problem doesn't occur with 60hz NTSC material, it has largely
been missed.

Kind regards,

Pete

"John Lockwood" wrote:

> On 30/5/08 10:38, in article lmiv34lvjiik58pl9her00cjb7um65099j@4ax.com,
>
> > On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:25:00 -0700, Luke Tractor
> >
> >> Stutter is definitely worse when panning and ticker tape...why does the
> >> ticker tape come good and then stutter again, where are the bottlenecks?
> >
> > This sounds a lot like watching a 50Hz PAL signal on a 60Hz monitor/TV.
> > --
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Nigel Barker
> > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
> > MCE MVP
>
> Could be right Nigel. I currently view Media Center on a computer LCD which
> only supports 60Hz and 75Hz. Obviously 60Hz (the default) would be perfect
> for NTSC but it was particularly bad for PAL, when I changed to 75Hz it was
> much better (being that 75Hz is a better multiple of 50) but still not
> perfect.
>
> I will eventually be moving it to a large TV which does 50Hz and expect it
> to be completely smooth.
>
> As a different possible answer to Luke, if his signal strength is borderline
> then he maybe experiencing occasional dropped frames in the poor signal. If
> his stuttering is regular it is as you suggest a Framerate issue, if it is
> random then it maybe down to a poor signal.
>
> A much less likely possibility would be using an older, slower computer
> which is struggling to deal with multiple tasks, again this would more
> likely produce a more random stuttering.
>
>

Posted by JW on June 20, 2008, 9:21 am
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The superior graphics available on Vista and the requirement that drivers
can not put part of their code in the lower levels of the kernel mean that
more graphics power is required for the same function on Vista then is
required on XP.
Also graphics power requirements are different if Aero is enabled then when
it is not.
Are you using a CRT or Digital technology display? What resolution are you
using over what interface?
> Hi,
>
> I am based in the UK and have exactly the same problem as the original
> poster on SD TV (haven't tried HD yet). I'm running one of the latest
> Geforce
> 8200 chipsets with an AMD phenom, 2gb RAM, tried it with two different
> tuner
> cards (Hauppauge and Blackgold) and verified the TV signal is ok. I've
> ruled
> out all the other solutions discussed previously. 60hz video played back
> at
> 60hz refresh rate displays fine. However 50hz video played at 50hz refresh
> rate gets this random stutter - can even completely disappear for a few
> seconds before coming back. It is most obvious on news channels with
> ticker
> tape.
>
> I am trying to get this to work on a Vista machine (tried Home Premium and
> Ultimate) but the weird thing is on a build of XP MCE 50hz video played
> back
> at 50hz refresh rate is perfectly smooth as it should be. This leads me to
> believe its either a bug with Vista or with the Nvidia drivers but as of
> yet
> I'm not sure where I go to raise this issue and see if it can be fixed.
>
> It is quite frustrating as in the UK our TV & DVD is PAL 50hz standard so
> all the media I want to watch suffers from this problem. I'm guessing
> that,
> because the problem doesn't occur with 60hz NTSC material, it has largely
> been missed.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pete
>
> "John Lockwood" wrote:
>
>> On 30/5/08 10:38, in article lmiv34lvjiik58pl9her00cjb7um65099j@4ax.com,
>>
>> > On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:25:00 -0700, Luke Tractor
>> >
>> >> Stutter is definitely worse when panning and ticker tape...why does
>> >> the
>> >> ticker tape come good and then stutter again, where are the
>> >> bottlenecks?
>> >
>> > This sounds a lot like watching a 50Hz PAL signal on a 60Hz monitor/TV.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Nigel Barker
>> > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
>> > MCE MVP
>>
>> Could be right Nigel. I currently view Media Center on a computer LCD
>> which
>> only supports 60Hz and 75Hz. Obviously 60Hz (the default) would be
>> perfect
>> for NTSC but it was particularly bad for PAL, when I changed to 75Hz it
>> was
>> much better (being that 75Hz is a better multiple of 50) but still not
>> perfect.
>>
>> I will eventually be moving it to a large TV which does 50Hz and expect
>> it
>> to be completely smooth.
>>
>> As a different possible answer to Luke, if his signal strength is
>> borderline
>> then he maybe experiencing occasional dropped frames in the poor signal.
>> If
>> his stuttering is regular it is as you suggest a Framerate issue, if it
>> is
>> random then it maybe down to a poor signal.
>>
>> A much less likely possibility would be using an older, slower computer
>> which is struggling to deal with multiple tasks, again this would more
>> likely produce a more random stuttering.
>>
>>


Posted by P_J_B on June 22, 2008, 10:15 am
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Hi,

Thanks for your reply. However I don't think the problem is anything to do
with insufficient processing power, my system can play 1080p blu-rays at
24fps flawlessly with an average cpu usage of 20% (30% peak). It is only
displaying this intermittent judder on 50hz video - even on standard
definition.

I am using it with a Sony HD LCD TV at 50hz refresh rate - both 720p and
1080p resolutions via HDMI.

Any help to troubleshoot this would be much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Pete


"JW" wrote:

> The superior graphics available on Vista and the requirement that drivers
> can not put part of their code in the lower levels of the kernel mean that
> more graphics power is required for the same function on Vista then is
> required on XP.
> Also graphics power requirements are different if Aero is enabled then when
> it is not.
> Are you using a CRT or Digital technology display? What resolution are you
> using over what interface?
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am based in the UK and have exactly the same problem as the original
> > poster on SD TV (haven't tried HD yet). I'm running one of the latest
> > Geforce
> > 8200 chipsets with an AMD phenom, 2gb RAM, tried it with two different
> > tuner
> > cards (Hauppauge and Blackgold) and verified the TV signal is ok. I've
> > ruled
> > out all the other solutions discussed previously. 60hz video played back
> > at
> > 60hz refresh rate displays fine. However 50hz video played at 50hz refresh
> > rate gets this random stutter - can even completely disappear for a few
> > seconds before coming back. It is most obvious on news channels with
> > ticker
> > tape.
> >
> > I am trying to get this to work on a Vista machine (tried Home Premium and
> > Ultimate) but the weird thing is on a build of XP MCE 50hz video played
> > back
> > at 50hz refresh rate is perfectly smooth as it should be. This leads me to
> > believe its either a bug with Vista or with the Nvidia drivers but as of
> > yet
> > I'm not sure where I go to raise this issue and see if it can be fixed.
> >
> > It is quite frustrating as in the UK our TV & DVD is PAL 50hz standard so
> > all the media I want to watch suffers from this problem. I'm guessing
> > that,
> > because the problem doesn't occur with 60hz NTSC material, it has largely
> > been missed.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > "John Lockwood" wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/5/08 10:38, in article lmiv34lvjiik58pl9her00cjb7um65099j@4ax.com,
> >>
> >> > On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:25:00 -0700, Luke Tractor
> >> >
> >> >> Stutter is definitely worse when panning and ticker tape...why does
> >> >> the
> >> >> ticker tape come good and then stutter again, where are the
> >> >> bottlenecks?
> >> >
> >> > This sounds a lot like watching a 50Hz PAL signal on a 60Hz monitor/TV.
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Nigel Barker
> >> > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
> >> > MCE MVP
> >>
> >> Could be right Nigel. I currently view Media Center on a computer LCD
> >> which
> >> only supports 60Hz and 75Hz. Obviously 60Hz (the default) would be
> >> perfect
> >> for NTSC but it was particularly bad for PAL, when I changed to 75Hz it
> >> was
> >> much better (being that 75Hz is a better multiple of 50) but still not
> >> perfect.
> >>
> >> I will eventually be moving it to a large TV which does 50Hz and expect
> >> it
> >> to be completely smooth.
> >>
> >> As a different possible answer to Luke, if his signal strength is
> >> borderline
> >> then he maybe experiencing occasional dropped frames in the poor signal.
> >> If
> >> his stuttering is regular it is as you suggest a Framerate issue, if it
> >> is
> >> random then it maybe down to a poor signal.
> >>
> >> A much less likely possibility would be using an older, slower computer
> >> which is struggling to deal with multiple tasks, again this would more
> >> likely produce a more random stuttering.
> >>
> >>
>

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