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Is the new DDR3 ram THAT much faster than DDR2?
I'm running a Evga 780i (DDR2), Evga 9800gx2, and an Intel Q6600

So if I upgrade, I need a new -board-...-ram-...
Would I have to change the Q6600?
I'm tempted to get the QX9650, somebody said
you won't get the potential out of the QX9650 unless
your using DDR3, and it's really not THAT much faster...
OR is it?

Opinions...? Crysis could use a boost.

Re: Time to upgrade?

On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:46:05 -0700 (PDT),
thxluhsen@gmail.com wrote:

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No, and even if it were you would get minimal benefit from
upgrading towards only the goal of more memory bandwidth.


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You previusly reported the CPU running at 3GHz, and water
cooled... you may be able to go a bit higher on water.

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No, but you'd want to change it because CPU upgrade is more
performance benefit and it would be silly to replace board
and memory but not that.  In other words the most effective
thing for you to do if you're really itching to spend money
is upgrade the CPU first to a 45nm Penryn which will hit
over 4GHz with water cooling, though if your Zalman is
passive (no fan) the water temp gets higher so you may not
get much above 4GHz.

Real question is, why the upgrade, what specifically is your
most important app(s) you wish to improve performance on?
Upgrading when what you have already isn't too far below the
stock performance of more expensive parts has limited
usefulness in many scenarios.



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At stock speed no the difference wouldn't be enough for many
to buy one, compared to your overclocked performance now,
EXCEPT you may be able to hit 4GHz with one (no guarantees,
you are free to and advised to research what the current
parts being bought recently overclock to as that ceiling may
increase over time).


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IMO, video card is more important for that, see what temps
it runs then try overclocking with stock 'sink.  If it's
getting too hot is your case cooling ok?  Sometimes having a
larger (92-120mm)  side panel fan situated to blow 1/4th
over, 3/4ths under the card will help, as will improved case
exhaust if it isn't very good yet.

With the video card o'c, QX9650 o'c to 4GHz and current
memory running as fast as it can stabily you should get a
fair performance increase.  Only by trying it will you know
if that is enough but definitely you should replace CPU
first, o'c that, then see how you're doing before getting a
new board or memory.

Re: Time to upgrade?

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Good news! I bumped upped my CPU from 3.0 to 3.2ghz and got a 1000
point increase in 3dmark06!
It's so stable too.
How does a Penryn differ from a Yorkfield?I'm still thinking of
getting the QX9650 (Yorkfield).
How is a Penryn superior? What kinds of CPU's have them?

My Zalman has no fan I DO want to upgrade to a more powerful one pref.
with a fan.
Yeah, I also have the two fans blowing around the 9800gx2 which does
cool it off a bit.
Could I get a tiny bit higher boost with my Q6600 with a different
water cooler?

This is primarily a gaming machine.....
I want to upgrade for smoother frame rates in games.
If you do 3dmark06 the fastest machine recorded was a guy with a
5.7ghz QX9650 and a 1gb ATI video card.
something like 33000 in 3dmark06
How he got it up to 5.7 is beyond me...

PS...Another 9800GX2 in quad-sli? Three 8800GTX in triple-SLI?
I already have a spare BFG 8800GTX (OC version).
...Seems logical to spend $600 for another 9800 or another $800 for
two for 8800GTX's.
rather than $1000 for the QX9650...

OPINIONS!!??

Re: Time to upgrade?

On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:19:30 -0700 (PDT),
thxluhsen@gmail.com wrote:


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Yorkfield is based on Penryn so that's essentially what
you're looking for in that model (QX9650).

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Why are you continuing to look for only tiny boosts with a
large expense?  Is your display exceptionally high
resolution?  You should be able to play Crysis already,
though you wrote you hadn't o'c the video card yet which is
something to try.


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Ok, but you might have some other problem that's interfering
with best efficiency of the gaming?  Others are playing
Crysis ok with lesser hardware.  It doesn't seem very cost
effective to do a lot at this point.




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This is a general hardware forum, it is beyond the purpose
to figure out whether a 3DMark score is legit or hacked in
some way, and if legit if there was some special defeatured
driver or vapor cooling or some other factor.

Instead of looking at anomolies, you should compare to the
typical system with similar configuration.


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If you're serious it seems a waste of money, but I'm
starting to think it's all just a daydream.  A real gaming
enthusiast should be able to enjoy the game rather than
worry about what someone else is doing, games aren't
designed only to play on $2200+ systems.

Re: Time to upgrade?


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lol,... Seriously, I have about $1500
in cash that I want to put into my puter.
Call it a "waste" if you want, but I have a lot
of disposable income at this time.

another lol,...
I have been playing video games since I was seven
I am a real gamer for sure.
I don't play FPS games that much. I just happen to have a copy
of Crysis. It's a rad game, certianly my favorite FPS.
It's the most taxing game so it's the best to benchmark DX 10
stuff,IMO.

Lastly...
If you don't have anything positive to say, or
offer no relevant suggestions. Please don't reply again.
I'm a responsible adult, and am quite capable
of managing my time and money.

P.S. I was skeptical about that 5.7ghz on 3dmark06
thats WHY I mentioned it.


Re: Time to upgrade?

On Sun, 18 May 2008 17:27:07 -0700 (PDT),
thxluhsen@gmail.com wrote:

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That's fine, but I would leave that system as-is and begin
building a new one instead of scrapping it out.  I suppose
another road to the same destination is half parting it out
and then reapplying those to a 2nd system, is what I might
do.


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It's not going to give you an accurate indication of DX 10
to bench only one game, and yet you can be sure that things
like upgraded CPU w/o'c will help most games in the future.


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So far I am the only one who has replied at all.
I gave some relevant advice, and now I wonder if you are
still just trolling.



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You need what I already mentioned, things like o'c new cpu
and upgrading water cooling, etc.  The only question was
which order to do it in.

I don't feel you are quite capable of managing time and
money as you didn't do any research about performance
differences of DDR3 memory vs DDR2, were already thinking of
replacing board and memory which is clearly the last step in
the $1500 budget that will be a significant benefit.

Re: Time to upgrade?

First of all, to everybody on this NG.
If my messages appeared to be "trolling"
than I apologize.

Kony,
I'll take my questions elsewhere if you are going
to treat me like that.
It would be nice if we could resolve our differences
without resorting to personal attacks.
I refuse to argue with you anymore.

...Now I remember why I stopped posting on NG's
for three years. It seems to attract allot of condescending
people.

Re: Time to upgrade?

On Mon, 19 May 2008 17:21:06 -0700 (PDT),
thxluhsen@gmail.com wrote:

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Personal attacks?
It's your call, do whatever you like.



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I gave what I felt was appropriate advice.  Take it or leave
it... you're not always going to get only the answer you
wanted to hear.


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