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help in selecting correct tuner! chiefjay 02-14-2008
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Posted by chiefjay on February 14, 2008, 12:56 pm
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I recently bought a win pc running vista ultimate. I want to run Media
Center, but need to purchase a tuner first. When inquiring about tuners, I
rejected the notion of purchasing an analog tuner, as analog programming will
cease in February of 2009. When I spoke to Hauppauge, a manufacturer of
hybrid (analog and digital) tuners, the salesperson advised me that because I
am not using a set top box, it was critical before I purchased the tuner to
check first with my cable provider to find out which, if any, clear QAM or
unencrypted QAM channels would flow through to my tuner. I called my cable
provider and learned that the answer to the above question is "none". So now
i am in a quandary. I don't want to buy an analog tuner only to have to
discard it in 2009, and apparently if i buy a digital tuner, I won't get any
stations. What is the answer to this conundrum?

Posted by Jaime on February 14, 2008, 1:11 pm
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Well, you probably won't need to discard your analog tuner in 2009. Analog
will be around after that, it is only "Broadcast" (Over-The-Air) analog must
cease to exist to free the broadcast frequencies. Many cable companies will
continue to send analog down the coax pipe long after 2009; the cable
companies can do what ever they wish with there infrastructure.

Some may transition to all digital info, as it saves them bandwidth as well,
others may choose to continue to run analog for standard cable for years. If
that is the case with your provider than you may not have a problem. If they
eventually go digital and require a box, then it may not matter that you
have an analog card, since you will be using the tuner in box anyway.

The advantage of a hybrid/dual card (or multiple cards) is being able to
receive Over-The-Air HD with an antenna. You could always add an analog card
now (they're cheap) and add a second digital card in a year or two if
needed.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida



>I recently bought a win pc running vista ultimate. I want to run Media
> Center, but need to purchase a tuner first. When inquiring about tuners, I
> rejected the notion of purchasing an analog tuner, as analog programming
> will
> cease in February of 2009. When I spoke to Hauppauge, a manufacturer of
> hybrid (analog and digital) tuners, the salesperson advised me that
> because I
> am not using a set top box, it was critical before I purchased the tuner
> to
> check first with my cable provider to find out which, if any, clear QAM or
> unencrypted QAM channels would flow through to my tuner. I called my cable
> provider and learned that the answer to the above question is "none". So
> now
> i am in a quandary. I don't want to buy an analog tuner only to have to
> discard it in 2009, and apparently if i buy a digital tuner, I won't get
> any
> stations. What is the answer to this conundrum?


Posted by chiefjay on February 14, 2008, 4:50 pm
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Jaime
Thanks for your reply. When you mention that the advantage of getting a
hybrid card is to be able receive OTA HD with an antenna, I am not sure that
I completely understand. I thought that a hybrid tuner was defined as one
with an analog tuner and a digital QAM tuner. Does a hybrid card come with an
ATSC tuner as well? Also, when you add the words "with an antenna", does that
imply that I have to connect up an antenna to the tuner that am able to
install? I am sorry if these questions sound naive. As you can see, I am a
newbie at all this. Also, When you talk about adding an analog card now and
a second digital card in a year, are you suggesting that I devote 3 PCI slots
to tuners? Is that what you have done? What would be the reason to add a
second digital tuner? In other words, what would the second one do that the
first digital tuner doesn't?
Thanks,
ChiefJay

"Jaime" wrote:

> Well, you probably won't need to discard your analog tuner in 2009. Analog
> will be around after that, it is only "Broadcast" (Over-The-Air) analog must
> cease to exist to free the broadcast frequencies. Many cable companies will
> continue to send analog down the coax pipe long after 2009; the cable
> companies can do what ever they wish with there infrastructure.
>
> Some may transition to all digital info, as it saves them bandwidth as well,
> others may choose to continue to run analog for standard cable for years. If
> that is the case with your provider than you may not have a problem. If they
> eventually go digital and require a box, then it may not matter that you
> have an analog card, since you will be using the tuner in box anyway.
>
> The advantage of a hybrid/dual card (or multiple cards) is being able to
> receive Over-The-Air HD with an antenna. You could always add an analog card
> now (they're cheap) and add a second digital card in a year or two if
> needed.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
>
>
>
> >I recently bought a win pc running vista ultimate. I want to run Media
> > Center, but need to purchase a tuner first. When inquiring about tuners, I
> > rejected the notion of purchasing an analog tuner, as analog programming
> > will
> > cease in February of 2009. When I spoke to Hauppauge, a manufacturer of
> > hybrid (analog and digital) tuners, the salesperson advised me that
> > because I
> > am not using a set top box, it was critical before I purchased the tuner
> > to
> > check first with my cable provider to find out which, if any, clear QAM or
> > unencrypted QAM channels would flow through to my tuner. I called my cable
> > provider and learned that the answer to the above question is "none". So
> > now
> > i am in a quandary. I don't want to buy an analog tuner only to have to
> > discard it in 2009, and apparently if i buy a digital tuner, I won't get
> > any
> > stations. What is the answer to this conundrum?
>
>

Posted by Bill Davis on February 14, 2008, 6:00 pm
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chiefjay

A hybrid tuner is one that has an NTSC tuner and an ATSC tuner. Some of the
ATSC tuners happen to support the demodulation of a QAM signal.

If you want to use tha QAM functionality you will have to use a third-party
application as both XP and Vista Media Centers do not support QAM tuning.

B.D.

"chiefjay" wrote:

> Jaime
> Thanks for your reply. When you mention that the advantage of getting a
> hybrid card is to be able receive OTA HD with an antenna, I am not sure that
> I completely understand. I thought that a hybrid tuner was defined as one
> with an analog tuner and a digital QAM tuner. Does a hybrid card come with an
> ATSC tuner as well? Also, when you add the words "with an antenna", does that
> imply that I have to connect up an antenna to the tuner that am able to
> install? I am sorry if these questions sound naive. As you can see, I am a
> newbie at all this. Also, When you talk about adding an analog card now and
> a second digital card in a year, are you suggesting that I devote 3 PCI slots
> to tuners? Is that what you have done? What would be the reason to add a
> second digital tuner? In other words, what would the second one do that the
> first digital tuner doesn't?
> Thanks,
> ChiefJay
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
> > Well, you probably won't need to discard your analog tuner in 2009. Analog
> > will be around after that, it is only "Broadcast" (Over-The-Air) analog must
> > cease to exist to free the broadcast frequencies. Many cable companies will
> > continue to send analog down the coax pipe long after 2009; the cable
> > companies can do what ever they wish with there infrastructure.
> >
> > Some may transition to all digital info, as it saves them bandwidth as well,
> > others may choose to continue to run analog for standard cable for years. If
> > that is the case with your provider than you may not have a problem. If they
> > eventually go digital and require a box, then it may not matter that you
> > have an analog card, since you will be using the tuner in box anyway.
> >
> > The advantage of a hybrid/dual card (or multiple cards) is being able to
> > receive Over-The-Air HD with an antenna. You could always add an analog card
> > now (they're cheap) and add a second digital card in a year or two if
> > needed.
> > --
> > James
> > Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
> >
> >
> >
> > >I recently bought a win pc running vista ultimate. I want to run Media
> > > Center, but need to purchase a tuner first. When inquiring about tuners, I
> > > rejected the notion of purchasing an analog tuner, as analog programming
> > > will
> > > cease in February of 2009. When I spoke to Hauppauge, a manufacturer of
> > > hybrid (analog and digital) tuners, the salesperson advised me that
> > > because I
> > > am not using a set top box, it was critical before I purchased the tuner
> > > to
> > > check first with my cable provider to find out which, if any, clear QAM or
> > > unencrypted QAM channels would flow through to my tuner. I called my cable
> > > provider and learned that the answer to the above question is "none". So
> > > now
> > > i am in a quandary. I don't want to buy an analog tuner only to have to
> > > discard it in 2009, and apparently if i buy a digital tuner, I won't get
> > > any
> > > stations. What is the answer to this conundrum?
> >
> >

Posted by JW on February 14, 2008, 10:17 pm
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A hybrid tuner card is one which can receive either an analog or a digital
signal at one time but which can not receive signals of both types
simultaneously. In other words if you have a hybrid tuner card it can
receive either an NTSC analog or a digital signal (which is normally an ATSC
digital signal but some digital tuner can receive wither ATSC OTA digital or
cable QAM digital)
MC will only you to configure a hybrid card for analog or digital since
both can not received concurrently.
A dual tuner card, on the other hand, appears to the system as two
independent tuners which can be used concurrently. So with a dual tuner card
that has an analog and a digital tuner . You can watch a program with one
tuner and record a program with the other for example.
> chiefjay
>
> A hybrid tuner is one that has an NTSC tuner and an ATSC tuner. Some of
> the
> ATSC tuners happen to support the demodulation of a QAM signal.
>
> If you want to use tha QAM functionality you will have to use a
> third-party
> application as both XP and Vista Media Centers do not support QAM tuning.
>
> B.D.
>
> "chiefjay" wrote:
>
>> Jaime
>> Thanks for your reply. When you mention that the advantage of getting a
>> hybrid card is to be able receive OTA HD with an antenna, I am not sure
>> that
>> I completely understand. I thought that a hybrid tuner was defined as one
>> with an analog tuner and a digital QAM tuner. Does a hybrid card come
>> with an
>> ATSC tuner as well? Also, when you add the words "with an antenna", does
>> that
>> imply that I have to connect up an antenna to the tuner that am able to
>> install? I am sorry if these questions sound naive. As you can see, I am
>> a
>> newbie at all this. Also, When you talk about adding an analog card now
>> and
>> a second digital card in a year, are you suggesting that I devote 3 PCI
>> slots
>> to tuners? Is that what you have done? What would be the reason to add a
>> second digital tuner? In other words, what would the second one do that
>> the
>> first digital tuner doesn't?
>> Thanks,
>> ChiefJay
>>
>> "Jaime" wrote:
>>
>> > Well, you probably won't need to discard your analog tuner in 2009.
>> > Analog
>> > will be around after that, it is only "Broadcast" (Over-The-Air) analog
>> > must
>> > cease to exist to free the broadcast frequencies. Many cable companies
>> > will
>> > continue to send analog down the coax pipe long after 2009; the cable
>> > companies can do what ever they wish with there infrastructure.
>> >
>> > Some may transition to all digital info, as it saves them bandwidth as
>> > well,
>> > others may choose to continue to run analog for standard cable for
>> > years. If
>> > that is the case with your provider than you may not have a problem. If
>> > they
>> > eventually go digital and require a box, then it may not matter that
>> > you
>> > have an analog card, since you will be using the tuner in box anyway.
>> >
>> > The advantage of a hybrid/dual card (or multiple cards) is being able
>> > to
>> > receive Over-The-Air HD with an antenna. You could always add an analog
>> > card
>> > now (they're cheap) and add a second digital card in a year or two if
>> > needed.
>> > --
>> > James
>> > Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >I recently bought a win pc running vista ultimate. I want to run Media
>> > > Center, but need to purchase a tuner first. When inquiring about
>> > > tuners, I
>> > > rejected the notion of purchasing an analog tuner, as analog
>> > > programming
>> > > will
>> > > cease in February of 2009. When I spoke to Hauppauge, a manufacturer
>> > > of
>> > > hybrid (analog and digital) tuners, the salesperson advised me that
>> > > because I
>> > > am not using a set top box, it was critical before I purchased the
>> > > tuner
>> > > to
>> > > check first with my cable provider to find out which, if any, clear
>> > > QAM or
>> > > unencrypted QAM channels would flow through to my tuner. I called my
>> > > cable
>> > > provider and learned that the answer to the above question is "none".
>> > > So
>> > > now
>> > > i am in a quandary. I don't want to buy an analog tuner only to have
>> > > to
>> > > discard it in 2009, and apparently if i buy a digital tuner, I won't
>> > > get
>> > > any
>> > > stations. What is the answer to this conundrum?
>> >
>> >


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