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Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
The space that the OP lost on his drive. S/he was robbed!!!
They told him 500 and he only got less than that. The least
we can do is pause, empathize, verify and then resume...
I certainly hope it's a class-action lawsuit! (I want my
gigibytes settlement in Microsoft coupons.)
"Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si
marmota monax materiam possit materiari?"
--
"The anti-gay marriage amendment:
The president endorsed it.
The Senate discussed it.
I'm pretty sure Jerry Falwell masturbated to it."
--Jon Stewart
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
Nope S/he has accounted for every last byte. Only she checked it on a
calculator that uses a bizarre hybrid numbering system!
No s/he got exactly 500G (500,000,000,000)
I think we have done more than paused, we have tried to explain the
discrepancy numerous times, but it seems to have fallen on stony ears!
No, go for another company and you might want to ask for GigaBytes or
GiBiBytes instead of gigibytes
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
WRONG. A hard drive is a binary storage device. Windows is
measuring correctly. Until a hard drive is no longer a
binary storage device, it is always "proper" to measure it
as such.
You are taking some trival knowledge about decimal versus
binary and leaping to an unfounded conclusion.
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
Kony, we have been here before and didn't get anywhere then! I think we both
have better things to do!
No microsoft is trying to express a straight forward quantity, but using 2
bases at once! It is either expressed in decimal as 500GB (500 x 10^9) or in
binary as 111,010 x 10^100001 (see below), but there is no mathematical
standard that expresses numbers with the main part of the number in decimal
and the exponent and power in binary - that's just plain wrong!
Clearly, a hard disk is a binary storage device as it holds a series of 1's
and 0's. If this makes you feel you have to count the quantity in binary,
then please go ahead, but what confuses the rest of the world is when you
mix bases in the same numerical statement! It doesn't make any difference to
the quantity of 1's or 0's it can hold or how we count those digits. And a
500GB drive can hold 500,000,000,000 bytes, which equals 4,000,000,000,000
bits (8 bits per byte), which equals 4Tb.
I'm expressing a quantity of something using standard mathematical
abbreviations. Any quantity with 000 on the end can be abbreviated to Kilo.
Any quantity with 000,000 on the end can be expressed as Mega. Any quantity
with 000,000,000 on the end can be abbreviated to Giga. Any quantity with 12
zeros on the end can be abbreviated to Tera.
If you want to count the decimal quantity 500G (500,000,000,000) in binary,
then it is:
111,010,001,101,010,010,100,101,000,100,000,000,000
or
111,010,001,101,010,010,100,101,000,100 x 10^1001
or can be rounded down (losing some accuracy) to
111,010 x 10^100001
Clearly, the number 111,010 x 10^100001looks very confusing to
non-mathematicians.
In the above numbers I have written 10^1001 and 10^100001. These numbers are
in base 2 (binary), so 10 is equivalent to 2 in decimal.
There is no such recognised number as 500 x 10^11110 (where 500 is decimal
and the exponent and power are in binary). We can obviously calculate the
value of this expression, but it is not normal to mix bases in a numbering
system like this!
Kony, if you are counting octopuses, do you express the quantity in base 8
(octal)?
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:54:35 +0100, "GT"
Still doesn't change the fact that a hard drive is a binary
storage device. You can't arbitrarily count how many apples
you have when staring at a bushel of oranges.
The day a hard drive becomes a decimal system based-storage
device, you will be correct.
Still doesn't change the fact that a hard drive is a binary
storage device. You can't arbitrarily count how many apples
you have when staring at a bushel of oranges.
The day a hard drive becomes a decimal system based-storage
device, you will be correct.
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
No one said it does. I am counting how many 'slots' the drive has to offer,
not what it stores.
1000 apples is the quantity as 1000 oranges, which is the same quantity as
1000 Bytes. These can all be abbreviated to 1k apple, or 1k orange, or 1k
Byte. Or do you still need to invent an extra imaginary 24 bytes, just so
the standard mathematical quantity is increased to match an an arbitrary
power of 2?
You are contradicting yourself - you insist that since a hard drive holds 0s
and 1's, we must count the quantity of potential values using binary, but
then you go and count them in decimal yourself and multiply by 2 to a
power?!? This makes no sense at all! Truth is that you can count the
quantity of anything using whatever base you choose.
To expand on your statement: You are telling us that because something holds
values that are in 2 possible states, then we must count the quantity of
those states using a base 2 (even though you use base 10 yourself). So if we
were talking about something that could be in 6 possible states (a dice for
example), then according to your theory, we would have to count the quantity
of dice using base 6??? Nonsense. We do not need to determine how many
states something can be in before we can count how many of them we have? How
do you count cars, or people when you don't know how many states they can be
in?!?
1k = 1000 in decimal and 1111101000 in binary, but it doesn't equal 1 x
2^10. The binary number 10000000000 equals 1024 in decimal, which is more
than 1k.
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
Already told you that we are all in agreement that a hard disk stores binary
numbers.
Kony, here is your self-contradiction - you insist (wrongly) that we must
count hard drive space in binary. So why do you write 465GB - that is not a
binary number!!
You didn't answer my question about dice - they have 6 states, so do you
have to count a quantity of dice in base 6?
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
I must jump to Kony's defence here. This debate is more one of opinion vs
opinion, which is why it is never resolved. Whilst he and I disagree on this
matter, he has helped me and many others with some detailed and very helpful
responses in other posts. Just because we disagree with him does not make
either his depth of his knowledge of PC hardware or his willingness to help
others any less impressive
Of course, he might consider that my very response here (in his defence)
lowers his credibility, or he might just have better things to do with his
time!
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
GT wrote:
Your opinion can't change the reality of the matter.
What is there to disagree about? Mankind used those terms for centuries and
didn't argue about them. Then in the latter part of the twentieth century, Bill
Gates and a few others found it convenient to use those same terms for a
different purpose. Most of us in the field recognize what we're dealing with and
understand the situation. We see no need to conjure up a big argument over
something that is easily understood.
He has (he's not alone) manufactured an artificial argument and insists that he
is right right right. It's that need to be *right* that shows up elsewhere and
damages his credibility.
I'll let him make that decision.
Your opinion can't change the reality of the matter.
What is there to disagree about? Mankind used those terms for centuries and
didn't argue about them. Then in the latter part of the twentieth century, Bill
Gates and a few others found it convenient to use those same terms for a
different purpose. Most of us in the field recognize what we're dealing with and
understand the situation. We see no need to conjure up a big argument over
something that is easily understood.
He has (he's not alone) manufactured an artificial argument and insists that he
is right right right. It's that need to be *right* that shows up elsewhere and
damages his credibility.
I'll let him make that decision.
Re: What percentage must be alloted to primary partition.
Why do you keep repeating that - we all know and agree it is a binary
storage device. The problem is the way you count the units - you keep on
adding an extra 24 for every 1000 units you count.
Tell us Kony, when you count things using your fingers, when you reach 10,
do you add an extra 1 or 2 for good measure?
How many units of information something can hold is completely independant
to what that information is, so quantity can be measured in any number
base - that is the part you are missing.
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