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Well rest assured... my gigabyte dual bios bullshit motherboard once died.

I then bough an asus P3V4x and build it in myself ;)

After the sb live was not working I literally unscrewed every screw I could
find including the chase and I literally re-build my pc, inch by inch, screw
by screw :)

The salesmen even told me a story about newbies shortcircuiting their
motherboard because they attached it to their case and the metal at the back
touched it and short circuited it :)

So I have some experience building a pc.

But rest assured again... before I build my pc I will ask a couple of
newsgroup about advice and questions and if I forgot anything =D

So I am faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from done =D

(Besides I have promised to myself that before investing lot's of money in
my new pc I am first going to invest in my own health by requesting and if
necessary paying for an MRI scan and stuff like that =D otherwise no new pc
! :) )

  Skybuck ;) =D

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I doubt that many have been physically damaged.  However what has
been irretrievably harmed is the data those machines are handling.
Especially when the overclockers probably do not even have ECC
protection for memory errors, so the failings can be recorded and
passed on down for many generations.

By and large the performance 'improvement' from overclocking is too
small to be easily noticed.  It requires instrumentation to show a
speedup.  What that instrumentation doesn't show is the remaining
margin for error, which could easily be eaten by such things as a 5
degree change in room temperature.

Follow-ups set.  Which the OP should have done in the first place.

"If you want to post a followup via, don't use
 the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on
 "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
 "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson

Re: SATA II Harddisks ?

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:46:55 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"

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Blanket statements like this are always too vague to be
applicable to specific situations.

How many boards were damaged by overheating instead?
How many by generic power supplies?
Defective capacitors?

Speaking specifically, as someone who has overclocked any
and everything possible as a matter of hobby, NOT
mission-critical systems, I can tell you that unless someone
does very reckless things like modifying chipset voltage
levels or trying to put an extra 40% voltage through the
CPU, the main problem area in overclocking is data integrity
or capacitor overheat-early-failure.  Of course there's
stability in general too, but that is not a permanent
problem, can be tested and rectified at any later time.

If you aren't expreienced in overclocking, indeed that alone
is a good reason not to do it to a system  you need rely on.
In itself, overclocking does not necessarily damage anything
if done properly, factoring for the effects and taking
necessary measures.

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That's the whole point.

15 or 17 year old kid comes along... thinks hmmm what would happen
if I drive 40 more volts through the cpu... ;) thinking: "if it wasn't safe
then why would the bios allow it ;)"

Later motherboard or cpu malfunctions...

Kid thinks what a bunch a crap and returns it to the (web)store lol =D


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If a retailer in the USA receives defective merchandise from a customer,
they return it to the manufacturer/distributor without testing it. If the
manufacturer/distributor wants to test it, and either fixes it or determines
there is nothing wrong with it, then they can sell it as "refurbished." They
cannot sell it as new in the USA.

Likewise, a retailer who ships the wrong product, and it is used (however
briefly) by the customer, cannot resell the item as new. It can be resold as
new if still in original packaging and not opened, but even then many
retailers charge a restocking fee and resell it as refurbished or an open
box item.

Certainly, one wants to deal with a reputable retailer for all transactions.
Monarch Computers has a good reputation based on comments on other forums I
post on, but since you don't live in the USA, that is probably not an option
for you.

Especially for Internet retailers, word of mouth reputation is very
important to them, and very few established retailers would risk harming
that reputation.

The scenarios you describe about how you could receive used or damaged parts
if the retailer installed the bios for you, are completely unrealistic for
any retailer that I know about.

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Pity about stuff that the retailer decides isnt defective and was
just returned because the customer decided he didnt like etc.

Or returns claiming it doesnt properly with what he already has etc.

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That's the theory, anyway.

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You need to get out more.

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Maybe you need to change internet retailers. If it is so easy to return
merchandise, then just return the stuff you claim is used that they sold as

Go ahead, make my day.

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Nope, none of the ones I choose to use have
ever supplied me with returned product.

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It is.

I make sure what I buy is what I want. So I dont need to return anything.

Thats not true of everyone else, cretin.

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You really need to drag yourself away from that TV, child.

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