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'google' 2 tatata9999 10-20-2007
---> Re: 'google' 2 Adrienne Boswel...10-20-2007
| | ---> Re: 'google' 2 David Quinton10-21-2007
| | `--> Re: 'google' 2 Andy Dingley10-21-2007
| | `--> Re: 'google' 2 André Gillibert10-21-2007
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| ---> Re: 'google' 2 André Gillibert10-21-2007
| |--> Re: 'google' 2 Beauregard T. S...10-21-2007
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Posted by tatata9999 on October 20, 2007, 3:42 pm
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The first generation of web site search engine hands-down is google.
A majority of these web
sites are static page -driven html pages.

Now, I would think more and more web-based applications are coming
into the fray, my recent
experience with google's webbot (indexing engine, a part of the
google's search service) tells
me that its indexing algorithm does not consider a database-driven web
application as part of
a qualified 'web site'. Minicking it as a html site is like a man
trying to dress in skirt,
oh, my poor Scotsman... Hence, I believe a service that would evaluate
and index web apps
(database-driven, xml-based or what not) vs. the plain HTML -driven
web sites would be
valuable to both consumers and businesses. Or maybe there's already
such a service out there?


Posted by Adrienne Boswell on October 20, 2007, 7:20 pm
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed tatata9999@gmail.com writing in

> The first generation of web site search engine hands-down is google.
> A majority of these web
> sites are static page -driven html pages.
>
> Now, I would think more and more web-based applications are coming
> into the fray, my recent
> experience with google's webbot (indexing engine, a part of the
> google's search service) tells
> me that its indexing algorithm does not consider a database-driven web
> application as part of
> a qualified 'web site'. Minicking it as a html site is like a man
> trying to dress in skirt,
> oh, my poor Scotsman... Hence, I believe a service that would evaluate
> and index web apps
> (database-driven, xml-based or what not) vs. the plain HTML -driven
> web sites would be
> valuable to both consumers and businesses. Or maybe there's already
> such a service out there?
>
>

Google does database driven sites very well. I manage two sites that
are completely database driven. Google for mass confession and Holy
Family Catholic Community is 6th, and Google for Glendale Tires and
Glendale Tire Company is 5th at nextBlock.com . Not too shabby I would
say.

There are a few tricks to getting good SERPs in database driven sites:
A. Fast pages, so fast queries to the server
1. Open and close record sets right away. Try not to loop through an
open record set if possible.
2. Put CSS in an external stylesheet.
3. Put javascript in an external script.
4. Optimize images
5. Don't depend on the browser to resize images.
B. Mark up documents well - use semantic markup.
C. Validate markup generated by your script. Valid markup seems to do a
lot better than tag soup.

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Posted by tatata9999 on October 20, 2007, 10:38 pm
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> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed tatata9...@gmail.com writing
>
>
>
>
>
> > The first generation of web site search engine hands-down is google.
> > A majority of these web
> > sites are static page -driven html pages.
>
> > Now, I would think more and more web-based applications are coming
> > into the fray, my recent
> > experience with google's webbot (indexing engine, a part of the
> > google's search service) tells
> > me that its indexing algorithm does not consider a database-driven web
> > application as part of
> > a qualified 'web site'. Minicking it as a html site is like a man
> > trying to dress in skirt,
> > oh, my poor Scotsman... Hence, I believe a service that would evaluate
> > and index web apps
> > (database-driven, xml-based or what not) vs. the plain HTML -driven
> > web sites would be
> > valuable to both consumers and businesses. Or maybe there's already
> > such a service out there?
>
> Google does database driven sites very well. I manage two sites that
> are completely database driven. Google for mass confession and Holy
> Family Catholic Community is 6th, and Google for Glendale Tires and
> Glendale Tire Company is 5th at nextBlock.com . Not too shabby I would
> say.
>
> There are a few tricks to getting good SERPs in database driven sites:
> A. Fast pages, so fast queries to the server
> 1. Open and close record sets right away. Try not to loop through an
> open record set if possible.
> 2. Put CSS in an external stylesheet.
> 3. Put javascript in an external script.
> 4. Optimize images
> 5. Don't depend on the browser to resize images.
> B. Mark up documents well - use semantic markup.
> C. Validate markup generated by your script. Valid markup seems to do a
> lot better than tag soup.
>
> --
> Adrienne Boswell at Home
> Arbpen Web Site Design Serviceshttp://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
> Please respond to the group so others can share- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks, Adrienne. That's good to know.
My web app is fast, on average, it takes about 240 milliseconds to
serve a page request which may involve multiple queries. Yes, I read
about using include file for js, so, I just did. As for CSS, I've
even eliminated them for now for speed sake. As for images, I have
only a few tiny ones. One thing I want to do away is a bit too many
tables. Please take a look at my app to see what I mean, http://www.mytata.net
when you have a chance. So, in sum, the speed of the app is a major
design consideration.

Don



Posted by David Quinton on October 21, 2007, 2:52 am
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:38:47 -0000, tatata9999@gmail.com wrote:
> Please take a look at my app to see what I mean, http://www.mytata.net
>when you have a chance. So, in sum, the speed of the app is a major
>design consideration.

Not criticising, but:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.mytata.net%3A8000%2FmyTA%2F>
won't help.
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Posted by tatata9999 on October 21, 2007, 11:19 am
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On Oct 21, 2:52 am, David Quinton
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:38:47 -0000, tatata9...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Please take a look at my app to see what I mean,http://www.mytata.net
> >when you have a chance. So, in sum, the speed of the app is a major
> >design consideration.
>
> Not criticising, but:
> <http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.mytata.n...>
> won't help.
> --
> Locate your Mobile phone: <http://www.bizorg.co.uk/news.html>
> Great gifts: <http://www.ThisBritain.com/ASOS_popup.html>

I don't perceive it as criticism at all, on the contrary, I want to
thank you, someting on the plate...


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