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failing to retrive CRL from certificate server using new LDAP Serv Mr555 08-22-2006
Posted by S. Pidgorny on August 30, 2006, 5:38 am
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I'm not familiar with Netscreen gear ann LDAP client of that but here's what
I'd do:

1. Make CA paublish new CRL into AD. If it's offline, bring it online and do
that!
2. Using any LDAP client, check if CRL is in place on both new and old
server.
3. Capture traffic between Netscreen and LDAP servers to see the requests
and responses. Make sure you disable LDAP encryption.

That will allow to pinpoint the issue.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

> Hello S. Pidgorny
>
> I agreed with your comment, I throught I can specify any DC.
>
> I have tried your suggestions previously it won't work. the CRL will
> automaticlly updates only if I put 192.168.1.1 under LDAP Server: settings
>
> So you don't think there are any settings that may bind to our old DC
> "corp"
> server ? i need to specify on our new 2003DC
>
> This is how I specify on our VPN netscreen 50 under certificate optios >
> CRL
> settings
>
> CRL Settings
>
> URL Address:
>
ldap:///CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint
>
> LDAP Server: 192.168.1.1
>
> Refresh Frequency: Daily
>
>
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>
>> You should be able to use any domain controller and point the LDAP url
>> accordingly, like:
>>
>>
ldap://192.168.1.2/CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint
>>
>> --
>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for your input to my questions. I am new to
>> > certificate
>> > server, throught I just enabled the cetificate services will be OK. At
>> > the
>> > moment our VPN is operational. the only problem (serious problem) we
>> > are
>> > having is that it will only retrive new CRL from the certificate
>> > srever,
>> > if I
>> > specific the old LDAP server IP address which is 192.168.1.1 " corp
>> > server
>> > windows 2000" we are going to demote corp server soon, I got the
>> > feeling
>> > that
>> > some configuration is been done on corp server., possible I have to
>> > enable
>> > it
>> > on Paul Server 192.168.1.2 windows 2003. I am not sure what it is . so
>> > hopefully you will be able to help me with this.
>> > we are using netscreen 50 as our VPN server. under certificate options
>> > on
>> > our netscreen VPN server, a place where you have to specific the URL
>> > path,
>> > under the netscreen documentstions it saids I must copy it from the
>> > published
>> > CRL locations "
>> >
URL=ldap:///CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint"
>> > to that location, then I have specific the Ldap ip address 192.168.1.1
>> > to
>> > work around
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > Mr555
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Which VPN server do you use and how do you configure it for CRL lookup
>> >> (if
>> >> applicable)?
>> >> What CDPs are defined in the VPN client certificate properties?
>> >> Not less important - what CDPs are defined in the VPN server
>> >> certificate?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>> >> -= F1 is the key =-
>> >>
>> >> >3 months ago we migrated to windows 2003 Server.
>> >> >
>> >> > We have moved the entire FSMO role from our old windows 2000 server
>> >> > "Corp"
>> >> > to our new windows 2003 Server "Paul" Paul is now the forest root of
>> >> > our
>> >> > network.
>> >> > The ip address of Paul is 192.168.1.2
>> >> >
>> >> > Few weeks ago our windows 2000 certificate server "Spoon" die, we
>> >> > decided
>> >> > to
>> >> > rebuild the certificate server to windows 2003. The new certificate
>> >> > server
>> >> > is
>> >> > now called "Mugen" and is configured as a stand-alone root CA member
>> >> > server.
>> >> > The purpose of this certificate server is to authenticate VPN
>> >> > connection
>> >> > to
>> >> > our network and is operate together with our netscreen VPN /
>> >> > firewall.
>> >> >
>> >> > 15 days ago, our VPN / firewall failing to retrieve CRL from
>> >> > certificate
>> >> > server. Therefore VPN connections stop working.
>> >> >
>> >> > Under extensive investigation, I have discovered we can only make
>> >> > our
>> >> > VPN/firewll to automatically obtain CRL from the certificate server
>> >> > "Mugen" ,
>> >> > if we specific the old LDAP server IP address " corp." which is
>> >> > 192.168.1.1,
>> >> >
>> >> > if I enter the ip address of Paul 192.168.1.2 to the VPN/ firewall
>> >> > certificate settings, the automatic CRL retrieve will fail.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have checked with the firewall support team. They said netscreen
>> >> > does
>> >> > support windows 2003 Server. They suspect I have not configured our
>> >> > certificate server correctly to work under "Paul" LDAP Server.
>> >> >
>> >> > Questions:
>> >> >
>> >> > Are there any configuration or security policy I need to configure
>> >> > to
>> >> > allow
>> >> > communication between LDAP "Paul" server and certificate server "
>> >> > Mugen"?
>> >> >
>> >> > I need to specific "Paul" as the LDAP server on the VPN setup
>> >> > instead
>> >> > of
>> >> > corp.
>> >> > Server, please help
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you
>> >> >
>> >> > Mr555
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Posted by Mr555 on August 30, 2006, 7:23 pm
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Hello S.Pidgorny

Once again thank you for your suggestion to my question.

we have 4 DC
2 running windows 2003
2 running windows 2000
Paul 192.168.1.2 is the Forest Root DC

Our CRL expire today. I tested again by specify the IP address of
192.168.1.2 "windows 2003 FSMO" and 192.168.1.4 "windows 2003 replicate DC"
under our netscreen VPN server > certificate > LDAP server setting. it
failing to retrive a new CRL from the certificate sever using both 2003 LDAP
server.

we have another window 2000 replicate DC Server it is call "Spoon. the ip
address of spoon is 192.168.1.3, I specify the ip address of 192.168.1.3. on
the certificate setting > LDAP on our netscreen VPN/ Firewall. the automatic
CRL retrive works.

after this test I suspect there may be some default security setting may
have disallow Netscreen to communicate with our windows 2003. do you know or
is there any settting i need to be aware of ?

Thank you

Mr555









"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:

> I'm not familiar with Netscreen gear ann LDAP client of that but here's what
> I'd do:
>
> 1. Make CA paublish new CRL into AD. If it's offline, bring it online and do
> that!
> 2. Using any LDAP client, check if CRL is in place on both new and old
> server.
> 3. Capture traffic between Netscreen and LDAP servers to see the requests
> and responses. Make sure you disable LDAP encryption.
>
> That will allow to pinpoint the issue.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
> > Hello S. Pidgorny
> >
> > I agreed with your comment, I throught I can specify any DC.
> >
> > I have tried your suggestions previously it won't work. the CRL will
> > automaticlly updates only if I put 192.168.1.1 under LDAP Server: settings
> >
> > So you don't think there are any settings that may bind to our old DC
> > "corp"
> > server ? i need to specify on our new 2003DC
> >
> > This is how I specify on our VPN netscreen 50 under certificate optios >
> > CRL
> > settings
> >
> > CRL Settings
> >
> > URL Address:
> >
ldap:///CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint
> >
> > LDAP Server: 192.168.1.1
> >
> > Refresh Frequency: Daily
> >
> >
> > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> >
> >> You should be able to use any domain controller and point the LDAP url
> >> accordingly, like:
> >>
> >>
ldap://192.168.1.2/CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint
> >>
> >> --
> >> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> >> -= F1 is the key =-
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello
> >> >
> >> > Thank you so much for your input to my questions. I am new to
> >> > certificate
> >> > server, throught I just enabled the cetificate services will be OK. At
> >> > the
> >> > moment our VPN is operational. the only problem (serious problem) we
> >> > are
> >> > having is that it will only retrive new CRL from the certificate
> >> > srever,
> >> > if I
> >> > specific the old LDAP server IP address which is 192.168.1.1 " corp
> >> > server
> >> > windows 2000" we are going to demote corp server soon, I got the
> >> > feeling
> >> > that
> >> > some configuration is been done on corp server., possible I have to
> >> > enable
> >> > it
> >> > on Paul Server 192.168.1.2 windows 2003. I am not sure what it is . so
> >> > hopefully you will be able to help me with this.
> >> > we are using netscreen 50 as our VPN server. under certificate options
> >> > on
> >> > our netscreen VPN server, a place where you have to specific the URL
> >> > path,
> >> > under the netscreen documentstions it saids I must copy it from the
> >> > published
> >> > CRL locations "
> >> >
URL=ldap:///CN=company1,CN=Paul,CN=CDP,CN=Public%20Key%20Services,CN=Services,CN=Configuration,DC=domain1,DC=co,DC=nz?certificateRevocationList?base?objectClass=cRLDistributionPoint"
> >> > to that location, then I have specific the Ldap ip address 192.168.1.1
> >> > to
> >> > work around
> >> >
> >> > Thank you
> >> >
> >> > Mr555
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Which VPN server do you use and how do you configure it for CRL lookup
> >> >> (if
> >> >> applicable)?
> >> >> What CDPs are defined in the VPN client certificate properties?
> >> >> Not less important - what CDPs are defined in the VPN server
> >> >> certificate?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> >> >> -= F1 is the key =-
> >> >>
> >> >> >3 months ago we migrated to windows 2003 Server.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have moved the entire FSMO role from our old windows 2000 server
> >> >> > "Corp"
> >> >> > to our new windows 2003 Server "Paul" Paul is now the forest root of
> >> >> > our
> >> >> > network.
> >> >> > The ip address of Paul is 192.168.1.2
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Few weeks ago our windows 2000 certificate server "Spoon" die, we
> >> >> > decided
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > rebuild the certificate server to windows 2003. The new certificate
> >> >> > server
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > now called "Mugen" and is configured as a stand-alone root CA member
> >> >> > server.
> >> >> > The purpose of this certificate server is to authenticate VPN
> >> >> > connection
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > our network and is operate together with our netscreen VPN /
> >> >> > firewall.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 15 days ago, our VPN / firewall failing to retrieve CRL from
> >> >> > certificate
> >> >> > server. Therefore VPN connections stop working.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Under extensive investigation, I have discovered we can only make
> >> >> > our
> >> >> > VPN/firewll to automatically obtain CRL from the certificate server
> >> >> > "Mugen" ,
> >> >> > if we specific the old LDAP server IP address " corp." which is
> >> >> > 192.168.1.1,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > if I enter the ip address of Paul 192.168.1.2 to the VPN/ firewall
> >> >> > certificate settings, the automatic CRL retrieve will fail.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have checked with the firewall support team. They said netscreen
> >> >> > does
> >> >> > support windows 2003 Server. They suspect I have not configured our
> >> >> > certificate server correctly to work under "Paul" LDAP Server.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Questions:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are there any configuration or security policy I need to configure
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > allow
> >> >> > communication between LDAP "Paul" server and certificate server "
> >> >> > Mugen"?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I need to specific "Paul" as the LDAP server on the VPN setup
> >> >> > instead
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > corp.
> >> >> > Server, please help
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mr555
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Posted by Paul Adare on August 30, 2006, 11:35 pm
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microsoft.public.windows.server.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?

> we have another window 2000 replicate DC Server it is call "Spoon. the ip
> address of spoon is 192.168.1.3, I specify the ip address of 192.168.1.3. on
> the certificate setting > LDAP on our netscreen VPN/ Firewall. the automatic
> CRL retrive works.
>
> after this test I suspect there may be some default security setting may
> have disallow Netscreen to communicate with our windows 2003. do you know or
> is there any settting i need to be aware of ?
>

Windows Server 2003 domain controllers do not allow anonymous access to
the directory by default unlike Windows 2000 domain controllers.

--
Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain

Posted by Mr555 on August 31, 2006, 5:12 am
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Hello Paul

thank you for your answer to my questions I think you may be right, I find
this article is exectly what you said
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/46573/46573.html

I will

"Paul Adare" wrote:

> microsoft.public.windows.server.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?
>
> > we have another window 2000 replicate DC Server it is call "Spoon. the ip
> > address of spoon is 192.168.1.3, I specify the ip address of 192.168.1.3. on
> > the certificate setting > LDAP on our netscreen VPN/ Firewall. the automatic
> > CRL retrive works.
> >
> > after this test I suspect there may be some default security setting may
> > have disallow Netscreen to communicate with our windows 2003. do you know or
> > is there any settting i need to be aware of ?
> >
>
> Windows Server 2003 domain controllers do not allow anonymous access to
> the directory by default unlike Windows 2000 domain controllers.
>
> --
> Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
> It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
> How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
> it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
> not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
> Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain
>

Posted by S. Pidgorny on August 31, 2006, 6:47 am
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I'm sure you can authenticate LDAP connection from Netscreen and not to
enable anonymous LDAP binding.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

> Hello Paul
>
> thank you for your answer to my questions I think you may be right, I find
> this article is exectly what you said
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/46573/46573.html
>
> I will
>
> "Paul Adare" wrote:
>
>> microsoft.public.windows.server.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?
>>
>> > we have another window 2000 replicate DC Server it is call "Spoon. the
>> > ip
>> > address of spoon is 192.168.1.3, I specify the ip address of
>> > 192.168.1.3. on
>> > the certificate setting > LDAP on our netscreen VPN/ Firewall. the
>> > automatic
>> > CRL retrive works.
>> >
>> > after this test I suspect there may be some default security setting
>> > may
>> > have disallow Netscreen to communicate with our windows 2003. do you
>> > know or
>> > is there any settting i need to be aware of ?
>> >
>>
>> Windows Server 2003 domain controllers do not allow anonymous access to
>> the directory by default unlike Windows 2000 domain controllers.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
>> It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
>> How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
>> it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
>> not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
>> Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain
>>



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