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bringing oldish laptops a bit more "up-to-date" ... sorry - a bit long Martin Slaney 08-18-2008
Posted by Martin Slaney on August 18, 2008, 8:19 am
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OK - so we have a PIII-ish era laptop that we know and trust - and/or
got real cheap ... e.g. IBM T2x series, Toshiba-made Toshiba's etc.
Quite often they have better build quality/durability - less heat etc.
RAM might max out at 512MB or so - enough for many of us, HD can be
upped to 100GB+ no problem etc etc. ....

_But_ we _do_ want stuff like wi-fi, usb2 etc. Sooooo ... obvious answer
is Cardbus cards - right ? Available very cheaply and usually behave
quite well. Usually we have 2 Cardbus slots. Snag though - the way the
slots are laid out mechanically is such that when using cards with
"bumps" on the top surface, you can't utilise the bottom slot when
there's a card in the top slot. Persoanlly I want to leave a usb2 card
and a wi-fi card in there as pretty much permanent fixtures. Having to
eject one and plug-in the other is very tedious - intertupts smooth
workflow IMHO when doing stuff like download from internet -> copy to
usb memory stick.
The manufacturers of the Cardbus cards seem to design the things
(mechanically) on the assumption that theirs is going to be the only
card in use. Grrrrr .....

USB2 adapters have a good "excuse" for the "bump" - obvious meachanical
requirement wrt the USB sockets. (Although I just discovered this
ebay item no. 110278992926 ) - anyone used/tried one ?

Anyway, to the wi-fi ....

Now there _do_ seem to be one or two older 802.11b wi-fi cards that are
"flat" ... but often these don't support WPA (personally I can live with
11b speed, but I want WPA). Usually the pics on the web don't show the
profile of the card clearly. Seems there might be one ot two that fit
the bill - (coincidentally ?) seem to be 5V 16-bit cards - will these in
general draw more power and generate more heat (and maybe cook the card
above ) ?

Sooooo .... anyone know of any (ideally 54g) WPA-supporting cardbus
wi-fi cards that are either "flat" or have their "bump" on the bottom ?
Are there any using an "external" plug-in antenna ?

Anyone got around this problem ?

TIA.

P.S. I know an alternative is to use a USB wi-fi dongle, but then its
mechanically "fragile" if sticking out of the cardbus->usb card, and
will usually need a power-input cable to supply enough bus-power - which
is all quite fiddly/cumbersome/irksome - as well as using up one of our
"precious" usb ports.

Posted by Barry Watzman on August 18, 2008, 9:18 am
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Use a USB 1.x WiFi adapter ... tiny, about the size of a USB flash
drive, and doesn't take up a PC Card slot.

I think that both USB 2 and WiFi PC Cards that are "flat" do exist, but
are not common. However, using a USB 1.x WiFi adapter will solve the
problem with commonly available components.


Martin Slaney wrote:
> OK - so we have a PIII-ish era laptop that we know and trust - and/or
> got real cheap ... e.g. IBM T2x series, Toshiba-made Toshiba's etc.
> Quite often they have better build quality/durability - less heat etc.
> RAM might max out at 512MB or so - enough for many of us, HD can be
> upped to 100GB+ no problem etc etc. ....
>
> _But_ we _do_ want stuff like wi-fi, usb2 etc. Sooooo ... obvious answer
> is Cardbus cards - right ? Available very cheaply and usually behave
> quite well. Usually we have 2 Cardbus slots. Snag though - the way the
> slots are laid out mechanically is such that when using cards with
> "bumps" on the top surface, you can't utilise the bottom slot when
> there's a card in the top slot. Persoanlly I want to leave a usb2 card
> and a wi-fi card in there as pretty much permanent fixtures. Having to
> eject one and plug-in the other is very tedious - intertupts smooth
> workflow IMHO when doing stuff like download from internet -> copy to
> usb memory stick.
> The manufacturers of the Cardbus cards seem to design the things
> (mechanically) on the assumption that theirs is going to be the only
> card in use. Grrrrr .....
>
> USB2 adapters have a good "excuse" for the "bump" - obvious meachanical
> requirement wrt the USB sockets. (Although I just discovered this
> ebay item no. 110278992926 ) - anyone used/tried one ?
>
> Anyway, to the wi-fi ....
>
> Now there _do_ seem to be one or two older 802.11b wi-fi cards that are
> "flat" ... but often these don't support WPA (personally I can live with
> 11b speed, but I want WPA). Usually the pics on the web don't show the
> profile of the card clearly. Seems there might be one ot two that fit
> the bill - (coincidentally ?) seem to be 5V 16-bit cards - will these in
> general draw more power and generate more heat (and maybe cook the card
> above ) ?
>
> Sooooo .... anyone know of any (ideally 54g) WPA-supporting cardbus
> wi-fi cards that are either "flat" or have their "bump" on the bottom ?
> Are there any using an "external" plug-in antenna ?
>
> Anyone got around this problem ?
>
> TIA.
>
> P.S. I know an alternative is to use a USB wi-fi dongle, but then its
> mechanically "fragile" if sticking out of the cardbus->usb card, and
> will usually need a power-input cable to supply enough bus-power - which
> is all quite fiddly/cumbersome/irksome - as well as using up one of our
> "precious" usb ports.
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Posted by Martin Slaney on August 18, 2008, 10:11 am
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Barry Watzman wrote:
> Use a USB 1.x WiFi adapter ... tiny, about the size of a USB flash
> drive, and doesn't take up a PC Card slot.
>
> I think that both USB 2 and WiFi PC Cards that are "flat" do exist, but
> are not common. However, using a USB 1.x WiFi adapter will solve the
> problem with commonly available components.

Yep - that is _a_ solution I'd thought of, but then there's no point
going for 54g as USB 1.1 is only ~12Mb (well - liveable with ... )
and it also uses the rear panel USB port which I prefer to use for
mouse. (Yes, I could use PS/2 mouse I suppose ... or get one of those
tiny passive USB hubs ... but there comes a point when to get the
machine out of the bag and starting using it involves _so_ much fumbling
around in the bag for a whole series of widgets/cables/adapters :-) - at
one point I was using a PS/2 USB power cable with PS/2 pass-thru (for
the cardbus->usb2 card), with a PS/2 -> USB adapter plugged into that,
and a USB mouse plugged into _that_ ... all very prone to "dickiness" <g>.

IMHO a PCMCIA/cardbus solution would be preferable, but ... well maybe
I'm trying to get too much :-)

Posted by olfart on August 18, 2008, 10:41 am
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> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Use a USB 1.x WiFi adapter ... tiny, about the size of a USB flash drive,
>> and doesn't take up a PC Card slot.
>>
>> I think that both USB 2 and WiFi PC Cards that are "flat" do exist, but
>> are not common. However, using a USB 1.x WiFi adapter will solve the
>> problem with commonly available components.
>
> Yep - that is _a_ solution I'd thought of, but then there's no point going
> for 54g as USB 1.1 is only ~12Mb (well - liveable with ... )
> and it also uses the rear panel USB port which I prefer to use for mouse.
> (Yes, I could use PS/2 mouse I suppose ... or get one of those tiny
> passive USB hubs ... but there comes a point when to get the machine out
> of the bag and starting using it involves _so_ much fumbling around in the
> bag for a whole series of widgets/cables/adapters :-) - at one point I was
> using a PS/2 USB power cable with PS/2 pass-thru (for the cardbus->usb2
> card), with a PS/2 -> USB adapter plugged into that, and a USB mouse
> plugged into _that_ ... all very prone to "dickiness" <g>.
>
> IMHO a PCMCIA/cardbus solution would be preferable, but ... well maybe I'm
> trying to get too much :-)

Kinda like trying to update a Model A Ford to run in NASCAR (:>)



Posted by Martin Slaney on August 18, 2008, 6:17 pm
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olfart wrote:

>> IMHO a PCMCIA/cardbus solution would be preferable, but ... well maybe I'm
>> trying to get too much :-)
>
> Kinda like trying to update a Model A Ford to run in NASCAR (:>)

Nay nay sir ... Thinkpad's are very definitely not like Model A Fords -
even oldish ones. I'd rather have my T41 than nearly all currently
available new whizz bang flashing lights plastic bits of crap ...

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