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Installing windows 2000 with (IE 5) onto my new computer is fraught with
horrors. I install the system OK but cannot install any antivirus or
firewalls until service pack one, three and four are installed (I have free
access to Virgin's firewall and anti virus protection, both of which can't
be activated without the installed upgrades).

The problem is that these takes so long to download and install, that before
the installation is complete the whole system is raddled with trojans and
viruses, accompanied by a messages telling me that my 'computer is infected
with 55 different viruses' about 10 seconds after I've connected to the
Internet!

After this happens virtually nothing runs or will execute and the message
"svc host.exe.-will be closed by windows, need to restart programme" shows
up even if the service packs do to start to download.

I thought I'd be clever and download the service packs in another operating
system and then run them in the newly installed Windows 2000 without
connecting to the net. However this doesn't work as the service packs don't
appear to be complete and still want to download acres of files from the
net.

Has anyone else experienced nightmare, if so are there any pointers of how I
can overcome it without things becoming too involved... TIA Ivan

PS. the new computer came with Vista home basic preinstalled which is not
only much slower than my old computer with Windows 2000, but it doesn't
appear to be compatible with many of my old programmes, i.e. a Phillips web
cam I bought about six months ago which I can't find any drivers for.


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Ivan wrote:
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First, I find it very hard to believe that simply powering up a computer
causes immediate infections, but if that's what you're getting that's
what you're getting.
Can't you install something like avast and zone alarm, update the
computer then replace with your final protection programs.

As far as Vista, I dread the time when my current machine dies. When I
went from win98 to winxp, I lost my paperport sheet scanner plus some
legacy software. When I'm forced to use Vista, I'll lose my flatbed
scanner plus I've no idea what else. Interesting, I heard Dell has gone
back to supplying winxp with new machines due to Vista problems, but
that's only a temporary fix.
Dave Coheh

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I connect to the Internet through a simple NAT router and previously
went several years without any firewall or AV software and never had a
problem. I'm trialing NOD32 now, but like Dave, am very surprised to
hear that infection is happening so quickly.


Re: Windows 2000 virus

none@none.invalid says...
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Yep, if you have a decent NAT router in the chain, all the rest of the
workarounds are really unnecessary, at least in the short run.

MM

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Dave Cohen wrote:

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10 seconds is a bit fast. Normally, you have 12 to 20 minutes, though
that is the average time.

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Yes, be clever. <g>  Download SP4 on someone else's computer and burn to
CD. It's about 132 MB. You can install it before connecting to the 'net.
You should also get a firewall installed before connecting, one of the
ones you mention. My win-box has Kerio on it with Win2K SP4.

SP4 includes 1, 2, and 3, so don't bother with those. You should
download the whole file, and not use the "online" pieces at a time
choice. You can also order it on CD from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/servicepacks/sp4/default.mspx

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Stick with Windows 2000, probably the most stable of the MS OSs.

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As he said, he can't install the a-v and the firewall until he loads the
service pack. Oh, and yes, if you connect to the internet, you will be
found and hacked quite fast.

http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1511

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You will never be *forced* to use Vista. Look elsewhere, such as:
http://www.ubuntu.com /

My old HP 3200C scanner, and HP 318 camera work just fine with Ubuntu,
without installing any HP software or drivers.

--
   -bts
   -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

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A couple of weeks ago I managed to get windows 2000 installed on to a 5 GB
drive (which I'm using as a duel boot option - by going into the bios - with
vista) for backup doing as Dave suggested, downloading an antivirus program
(AVG) on another computer and installing it from a memory card, however even
then it wants to download updated virus software and by the time I've done
that and started it running the computer is once again infected, it took me
a best part of the day to install win 2000 and I don't feel that I could go
through all of that again.

If it's any help when I did eventually get Adaware to download and run
'amongst many other things' it found something called 'Data Miner' which I
eliminated and then managed to install the Virgin antivirus and firewall,
although even that was impossible to activate (it won't connect to the
server) until service pack one is installed which I believe contains IE6 and
another MS windows 2000 upgrade after that..

I'm just wondering if there is some way of copying my original windows 2000
disk complete with installed upgrades onto a CD to make the whole thing a
straightforward process?








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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
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Funny you should mention Ubuntu. Made a live cd a couple of weeks back.
I was very impressed with the way it detected attached hardware. Haven't
installed yet.
Dave Cohen

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Dave Cohen wrote:

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You're on your way. <g>

There are two main ways to go about it:  partition existing drive
(choice available during installation [1]), or adding a second drive.
You could also, for testing and familiarity, swap your current Windows
drive with a new one strictly for Ubuntu.

I still need to keep a Windows box as I do work (tho' now retired) with
Microsoft Visual FoxPro. Never been able to get that to work reliably
under Linux.

[1. Be sure to set up a "swap" partition of a couple GB for Ubuntu.]

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   -bts
   -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

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If there's no pw on the Administrator account and no firewall (W2K doesn't come
with one)  and it's
not locked down any other way either...

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| Installing windows 2000 with (IE 5) onto my new computer is fraught with
| horrors. I install the system OK but cannot install any antivirus or
| firewalls until service pack one, three and four are installed (I have free
| access to Virgin's firewall and anti virus protection, both of which can't
| be activated without the installed upgrades).
|
| The problem is that these takes so long to download and install, that before
| the installation is complete the whole system is raddled with trojans and
| viruses, accompanied by a messages telling me that my 'computer is infected
| with 55 different viruses' about 10 seconds after I've connected to the
| Internet!
|
| After this happens virtually nothing runs or will execute and the message
| "svc host.exe.-will be closed by windows, need to restart programme" shows
| up even if the service packs do to start to download.
|
| I thought I'd be clever and download the service packs in another operating
| system and then run them in the newly installed Windows 2000 without
| connecting to the net. However this doesn't work as the service packs don't
| appear to be complete and still want to download acres of files from the
| net.
|
| Has anyone else experienced nightmare, if so are there any pointers of how I
| can overcome it without things becoming too involved... TIA Ivan
|
| PS. the new computer came with Vista home basic preinstalled which is not
| only much slower than my old computer with Windows 2000, but it doesn't
| appear to be compatible with many of my old programmes, i.e. a Phillips web
| cam I bought about six months ago which I can't find any drivers for.

1.    Do NOT install Windows 2000 unless you are behind a NAT Router such as the
Linksys
BEFSR41.

2.    Download Windows 2000 SP4 administrative EXE file and have it handy.
(~130MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1001aaf1-749f-49f4-8010-297bd6ca33a0&DisplayLang=en

3.    Install Windows 2000 then after a reboot install SPR ASAP !

4.    Then install ISP's provided security software

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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Thanks to everyone for the helpful advice so far offered, however I must
confess to not being entirely up to speed with a lot of computer stuff , but
if I bought one of these Linksys routers, would it be a just a simple
question of connecting it up to my ethernet card and modem and it would
automatically setup everything for me, or would I somehow have to manually
configure it...tia



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A NAT router is a plug it up and go device that needs very little
configuration on your part, other than the router possibly being indentified
by the ISP with being able to log on to the ISP's network.

The router will provide instant protection from the Internet, because all of
its ports are closed by default to all unsolicited inbound traffic, which
would be the unsolicited scans and attacks being stopped from reaching the
machine behind the router.

If you get a router, you should get one that uses Wallwacther so that you
can watch for dubious connections being made to/from the machine behind the
router.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

http://sonic.net/wallwatcher/


Re: Windows 2000 virus

Mr. Arnold wrote:

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..and don't forget to change the default password to something
unguessable.

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   -bts
   -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: Windows 2000 virus

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:42:25 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"

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...and many of the more popular NAT routers include wireless
capability enabled by default (with security disabled by default).
Turn it off if it's not needed, otherwise enable WPA/WPA2 security if
both ends support it. WEP is not much better than no security at all.


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I'll go with that one.

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The solution to that is not to get a wire/wireless AP router, just an all
wire one and that problem is eliminated.


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That certainly wouldn't be my solution, but ok. <g>


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Wireless is not a necessity nor is it mandatory in a router solution. The
risks of being hacked on the wireless side of the wire/wireless AP router
are far greater than it will ever be on the wire side of the equation.

If I am going to use a wireless solution, then it's going to be a standalone
solution such as a standalone WAP device.



Re: Windows 2000 virus

'Arnold' wrote:
| Wireless is not a necessity nor is it mandatory in a router solution. The
| risks of being hacked on the wireless side of the wire/wireless AP router
| are far greater than it will ever be on the wire side of the equation.
|
| If I am going to use a wireless solution, then it's going to be a
standalone
| solution such as a standalone WAP device.
_____

Not true.  Depends on circumstance, doesn't it?  There is a huge difference
between the exposure through the Internet as compared to exposure in the
limited space within which an 8.11x signal is usable, then there is the
necessity to discover the key, not something that can be done in a few
hours.  Most targerts just aren't worth the trouble, and anti-malware
applications are still there.  Since this whole discussion deals with a
time-limited vunerablity for a new install, then WEP wireless is not a
problem.

Phil Weldon

|
| > wrote:
| >
| >>
| >>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:42:25 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
| >>>
| >>>>Mr. Arnold wrote:
| >>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>> >
| >>>>>>> 1.    Do NOT install Windows 2000 unless you are behind a NAT
Router
| >>>>>>> such as the Linksys BEFSR41.
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>> Thanks to everyone for the helpful advice so far offered, however I
| >>>>>> must confess to not being entirely up to speed with a lot of
| >>>>>> computer stuff , but if I bought one of these Linksys routers,
would
| >>>>>> it be a just a simple question of connecting it up to my ethernet
| >>>>>> card and modem and it would automatically setup everything for me,
| >>>>>> or would I somehow have to manually configure it...tia
| >>>>>
| >>>>> A NAT router is a plug it up and go device that needs very little
| >>>>> configuration on your part, other than the router possibly being
| >>>>> indentified by the ISP with being able to log on to the ISP's
| >>>>> network.
| >>>>
| >>>>..and don't forget to change the default password to something
| >>>>unguessable.
| >>
| >>I'll go with that one.
| >>
| >>>
| >>> ...and many of the more popular NAT routers include wireless
| >>> capability enabled by default (with security disabled by default).
| >>> Turn it off if it's not needed, otherwise enable WPA/WPA2 security if
| >>> both ends support it. WEP is not much better than no security at all.
| >>
| >>The solution to that is not to get a wire/wireless AP router, just an
all
| >>wire one and that problem is eliminated.
| >
| > That certainly wouldn't be my solution, but ok. <g>
|
| Wireless is not a necessity nor is it mandatory in a router solution. The
| risks of being hacked on the wireless side of the wire/wireless AP router
| are far greater than it will ever be on the wire side of the equation.
|
| If I am going to use a wireless solution, then it's going to be a
standalone
| solution such as a standalone WAP device.
|
|



Re: Windows 2000 virus

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:23 GMT, "Phil Weldon"

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WEP keys can be discovered in a few minutes (2-4 mins in my tests
against my own AP), and in under a minute according to numerous videos
posted on youtube. WPA/WPA2 takes significantly longer.

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If it's a wireless router with the wireless capability enabled
(default) and security disabled (again default), then that
vulnerability doesn't completely go away by itself just by patching
the OS of the PC connected to it. You still have the Internet access
sitting there wide open, even if the local PC is no longer the main
target.


Re: Windows 2000 virus

'Char Jackson' wrote, in part:
| WEP keys can be discovered in a few minutes (2-4 mins in my tests
| against my own AP), and in under a minute according to numerous videos
| posted on youtube.
_____

Depends on the circumstances, doesn't it?  If you stack all the conditions
to fit your statement, well, that's an entirely different set of
circumstances.  And if you want to cite 'YouTube' as authority ...

Phil Weldon

| On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:23 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
|
| >'Arnold' wrote:
| >| Wireless is not a necessity nor is it mandatory in a router solution.
The
| >| risks of being hacked on the wireless side of the wire/wireless AP
router
| >| are far greater than it will ever be on the wire side of the equation.
| >|
| >| If I am going to use a wireless solution, then it's going to be a
| >standalone
| >| solution such as a standalone WAP device.
| >_____
| >
| >Not true.  Depends on circumstance, doesn't it?  There is a huge
difference
| >between the exposure through the Internet as compared to exposure in the
| >limited space within which an 8.11x signal is usable, then there is the
| >necessity to discover the key, not something that can be done in a few
| >hours.
|
| WEP keys can be discovered in a few minutes (2-4 mins in my tests
| against my own AP), and in under a minute according to numerous videos
| posted on youtube. WPA/WPA2 takes significantly longer.
|
| >Most targerts just aren't worth the trouble, and anti-malware
| >applications are still there.  Since this whole discussion deals with a
| >time-limited vunerablity for a new install, then WEP wireless is not a
| >problem.
|
| If it's a wireless router with the wireless capability enabled
| (default) and security disabled (again default), then that
| vulnerability doesn't completely go away by itself just by patching
| the OS of the PC connected to it. You still have the Internet access
| sitting there wide open, even if the local PC is no longer the main
| target.
|



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