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On 12/22/2010 6:49 AM, Wolf K wrote:
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Well, you can leave me off of that ordinary track.

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   If "ordinary food" were like ordinary system software as defined by
what most people use, then "ordinary food" would be something nearly
gauranteed to give you food poisoning.

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    If some college kid can replicate your "invention" without seeing   |||
any of the details of your patent then you have been granted a patent  / | \
on the "idea" and not the actual implementation.

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Big Steel wrote:
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   Or you could just use Linux and avoid every single bit of what you
just said.

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Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit

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On 12/22/2010 7:56 AM, Norman Peelman wrote:
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I used Linux back in 2005. I was not that impressed. Linux is not
putting any money my pockets. I can't pay the bills using Linux. It's
still on a machine I have in storage. Now my Droid I am impressed with that.

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On 22/12/2010 14:03, Big Steel wrote:
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Different people use different systems, and for different reasons.
Linux doesn't put money in my pockets - but it /does/ save me money (or
rather, it saves my employer).  It's not really a matter of the cost
price - I happen to use zero-cost Linux versions because I'm used to
them, but others happily pay more for RHEL than they would for Windows
licences.

One of the big differences is that you don't have to worry about client
access licenses.  I haven't had to think about these for years, until
this discussion.  When I set up some new servers a few years ago, I
estimated that if I choose Windows for the servers, I would spend more
time learning about CALs, figuring out what we needed, figuring out the
rules for virtual servers, and figuring out how to buy them than it
actually took me to install and configure the Linux servers.  This was
one of the key points in the decision to go for Linux.

Now when someone wants a new server (database server, file server, web
server, whatever) I can set one up in minutes (openvz virtual machines
in Linux are very lightweight) for zero monetary cost, with no concerns
about the number of users or licences, and typically with negligible
resource costs on the server.

Of course, this sort of thing is highly dependent on experience - other
people might have known all about CALs but had no idea about Linux
server installation and setup.

And there are plenty of situations when Windows is the best solution too
- one size does not fit all.  But for servers, it would take outstanding
circumstances before I'd consider using Windows.


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On 12/22/2010 9:04 AM, David Brown wrote:

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I start a sweet job on Jan 3rd 2011, as a .NET developer, my dream
position, and in one of the cities I wanted to get to and live. I am
going to have a lot of fun, and MS is going to put a lot of money in my
pockets. That's all that counts with me. If it was Linux putting the
dollars in my pockets, then I would be using Linux.

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Big Steel wrote:
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plenty of linux admins needed at big server farms.


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On 12/22/2010 10:50 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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I have no use for Linux.

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Big Steel wrote:
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Then stop posting to comp.os.linux.misc

Which has no use for you.

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On 12/22/2010 11:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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In return, I have no need for your lip service so stop posting period. I
don't care what NG you are in.

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On 2010-12-22, Steel <""> wrote:
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...which probably means there's some robust Unix software somewhere
behind your app servers that actually make the entire thing work.

[deletia]

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    If some college kid can replicate your "invention" without seeing   |||
any of the details of your patent then you have been granted a patent  / | \
on the "idea" and not the actual implementation.

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On Dec 22, 4:37=A0pm, Steel <""Fake99XX1199999fake\"@(Big)
(Steel)theXfactor.com"> wrote:

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Sweet, good for you Steel.  I also am in the high-tech business as a
consultant, and in my business I am noticing a small pickup in US
business in the last few months--green shoots?  My fear now though is
inflation...time will tell.

Good luck on your new job.

RL

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On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:36:24 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99
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Thanks....

They can't find senior level .Net developers, with architect
experience. The demand is high in the US. The demand is high for .Net
developers in the US. They have to go to India to get them, a shame
for college kids looking for their entry level position in the US, as
the kids from India are sucking up those positions and working dirt
cheap via placement firms out of India, and the US companies don't
have to pay benefits for them.

Gates made a mistake establishing a MS facility over their in India
equal to Redmond only to have Indian developers suck up US jobs in
IT.

--
posted with a Droid

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THanks.  I feel bad for you US programmers.  But check my header--I'm
posting offshore (Greece) soon to be heading to SE Asia.  I also code
for friends mostly, though some strangers, and my 'real job' is a tech
consultant that requires no coding (I code for fun).  I also use .NET
C# code behind.  BTW as a US citizen it pays to be offshore:  your
first $90k or so is tax free.

Like you say the entry level jobs are no longer in the USA--that's a
long term bad for the USA as some of these Indian programmers will
eventually have the experience it takes to do your senior level job
too (15 years from now).

RL

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On 12/25/2010 8:18 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
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It's enough just to be away from family in another state, let alone
oversee somewhere. :)

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RayLopez99 wrote:
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   Between your desire for illegal $5 copies of expensive software and
your ability to avoid taxes... your hypocrisy is astounding!

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Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit

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Hypocrisy is not the right word.  I'm consistent.  Perhaps cheapskate
is a better word.

RL

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On 12/25/2010 8:18 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:

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Well, the big problem for kids here in the US is that the colleges are
teaching the wrong technologies to them, which is based on UNIX, Linux,
Java and C. That's not the technology that's dominant in the US. It's MS
that's dominant and .NET.

So the college kids in the US are ill prepared to land a job in IT due
to this. In the meantime, the kids in India are taught MS and .NET
technology in colleges, and they are better prepared to land programming
jobs in the US because of this.

It's like when I went to my first technical school and subsequent
college classes back in the 70's for IT. It was based on the IBM
mainframe technology that was dominate,  COBOL and Assembler. I was NOT
going to get a job easily based on RCA mainframe technology at the time,
as those were few and far in between jobs.

So there were no classes based on RCA that I took. I had a job in IT at
the age of 18, after a few months at a technical school, which had a job
placement service based on my IBM training.

You got these kids in the US spending 4 years in college taking courses
on computer programming and whatnot that is not going to land them a
job. They can't get a job, because they are ill prepared to land one in
an industry that is dominated by MS.

The kids in India are training MS, learning .Net, coming to the US and
getting MS jobs. It is what it is.

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On 2010-12-26, Steel <""> wrote:
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    ...it's like a troll stepped out an 80s desktop time warp.

    Still just as clueless too.

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    Besides. Real comp sci programs don't teach "technologies" anyways.

    That's for trade schools.

    Plus, the tech du jour won't alter the fact that people in countries
with a 3rd world standard of living and cost of living are able to accept
a 3rd world salary.

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On Dec 26, 3:09=A0am, Steel <""Fake99XX1199999fake\"@(Big)
(Steel)theXfactor.com"> wrote:

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Yes, it seems that way.  Almost all the entrepreneurs in high tech I
know are using Indian coders, and are fairly happy with them, mainly
due to cost.  For a lot of apps a half-good, not-bad program is almost
as good as a perfect program, and if it costs one-tenth as much, a lot
of startups are happy with that, at least until some money starts
coming in, then they can always rewrite it with more high quality US
programmers once the company matures.

RL

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