why I'm going with nod32...

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I've been using avast for my home systems and have been very pleased with it
over the years. Have never gotten hit by a virus or other malware. But I'm VERY
careful about what I run on my PCs and restricting admin access to the kids has
apparently also been effective.

I needrf a product to recommend to small business clients who are generally much
more lax about opening attachments, downloading stuff, etc, no matter how much
you try to scare them, and have found that avast and avg aren't usually near the
top of the list in effectiveness. Most of these clients have - what else? -
Dells or HPs with McAfee or Symantec preloaded. And when those subscriptions
lapse, they are the first programs that I remove. Although these av programs are
excellent in terms of catching new strains and also have timely updates, their
bloat just impacts on performance too much especially on older machines. (Plus I
have very bad feelings towards McAfee in a previous incarnation where I had to
support tens of 1000s of machines in a corporate environment. This was
compounded by their recent disastrous 4715 update).

One of the rating sites gave Nod32, Kaspersky, F-Secure, Gdata AVK, and
Trustport the highest marks. Hop on over to their respective sites to look at
pricing and ordering. I quickly eliminated:

Gdata AVK: Price posted in euros only, single license only (no volume
discounts). No renewal information. Goodbye.

F-Secure: shopping cart had no quantity discount. The renewal link only upgrade
info with a price in euros that was more than the base product! Excuse me??

Trustport: Get a better english translator and make your site less convoluted to
find info. Prices were apparently only available via a downloadable xls file
which failed to download. No thanks!

That left Nod32 and Kaspersky. Both had quantity and multi-year discounts and
had an easy ordering process. Nod32 posted their 1 user renewal price; Kaspersky
sends a link with a renewal discount.

Both of these AV programs got very high ratings on web sites and - more
importantly - this user group over the years. At that point I felt it was a
toss-up and didn't need to get into other technical nitty gritty. Nod32 had a
better pricing, so they won.

zach

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zach wrote:

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Better meaning lower? Not that NOD32 was a bad choice. But, considering
what one can spend on a high-end or even mid=level computer, plus
software and considering what one's data may be worth, is a $ 10
difference really that important to you?

Price becomes an issue only when one can't determine value.

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zach wrote:

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It would be well worth it to spend a couple of extra bucks and go with
Kaspersky. Why? Because NoD32 doesn't detect non-replicating malware
nearly as well as Kaspersky, yet Kaspersky detects viruses every bit as
well as NoD32.


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Yeah, you (and optikl) are right. And I like the fact I can install a trial
Kaspersky and just add the license later, whereas there is no nod32 trial
version "upgrade"; one has to deinstall/reboot/reinstall/reboot a licensed
version. (Due to various purchasing delays with small businesses, it's more
efficient to do an initial trial install and give them some time to process
payment.)

zach
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zach wrote:
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  My point was a little different than Bill's. I'm not suggesting one is
better than the other, although all things are seldom equal. My point is
that price alone should never be a consideration. What's important is
value.

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Well - I disagree with you here. NOD32 does do pretty well in
independent testing according to http://www.av-comparatives.org and
http://www.virusbtn.org and it's a LOT lighter and MUCH more stable.
I've not been happy with Kaspersky's Application since version 4.5.
Hopefully Kaspersky will repair the many problems documented in
version 6 and MP1 should be a lot better. The PDM module is effective
but is still very buggy ie. roll back function doesn't work well.

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Ian Kenefick - 23.06.2006 22:02 :

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what are the bugs in KIS6? Where can I read about these bugs in more
detail? I'm using KIS6 299 - so far without any known problem.

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Peter Seiler wrote:

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Peter,

I finally upgraded to KAV 6 w/ PDM, last week. I haven't tried KAH
yet, but probably will at some point in the future. I am currently
using Sunbelt-Kerio PFW 4.3.246.0, works great with KAV 6 (and with
KAV 5.0.676). I also evaluated both KAV 5 and KAV 6 with WinXP SP2 FW,
Jetico 1.0, Kerio 2.1.5, Ghostwall and, as I said, Sunbelt-Kerio PFW
4.3.246.0. All installed and worked with no problems. In some cases, I
disabled the WinXP firewall service to prevent what appeared to be
conflicts with the installed FW and/or PDM. Can't say for sure,
though, without further examination.

There were many problems with ZAP/ZAF when KAV 6 was released in May.
Much of the complaining was along the lines of "KAV 6 was in Beta for
almost a year, WTF gives?" It turns out that this was just a
coincidence. The problem was on Zone Alarm's end, and also caused
problems with other AVs including McAfee. As I write this, I believe
that this issue has been resolved with the latest releases of ZAF/ZAP.

KAV 6 is great. There are a few issues with the GUI, but many are not
bugs but changes from the KAV 5 GUI. The KAV 5 GUI was developed in
response to the bitching about KAV 4.5 being too complicated for the
average user, hence KAV Personal and KAV Personal Pro. Glad that went
away. [g] The KAV 6 GUI, IMHO, is the best of both worlds. Works well
for most people out of the box, but has the customizability needed for
such a robust app. I am still learning how to use all of the features.

BTW, your KAV should have upgraded automatically to KAV 6.0.300. Make
sure that you have Upgrade Application Modules checked. If you still
don't get 300, download the latest installer, as there were some
problems with one or more of the (mid-May) installers. While
evaluating other apps (PFWs, SUPERAntiSpyware, etc.), I went back and
forth between KAV 5 and KAV 6 several times with just a simple
uninstall/install with appropriate reboots, of course. I you have any
questions, ask Don Pelotas in the KL Home User Forum.

If you are interested in issues/bugs with the latest release
(6.0.300), check out the KL Beta Forum. One of the Gurus probably has
a ChangeLog describing what has been done since 300 and what still
needs to be done. The Beta releases are being tested to deal with some
of these. Much of the work, of course, deals with features/components
that weren't ready for the May release of KIS 6, such as 64-bit
support for KAH, etc.

(http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?s=e7fa008a1230cc132c7edaae6890de45&showforum=16 )

And anyone having issues with KAV 6 and ZAP/ZAF, check out the
numerous threads in the Zone Alarm Fora or the KL Home User Forum. I
haven't seen much WRT ZAP in the last couple of days, so maybe the
issue has finally been resolved.

(http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?s=e7fa008a1230cc132c7edaae6890de45&showforum=4 )

Ron :)

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Ron Lopshire - 25.06.2006 14:56 :

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thanks for your infos.

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Peter Seiler wrote:

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You're welcome. :)

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