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Heather......as long as your battery supply stays stocked-up..what diff
does it make.....right girl?

love ya!!!

-ps "Thanks for the nice Usenet message"

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I *remember* 50 - so I guess I'm not all that old. :oD



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MSE is better that Avira, Avast and AVG.
This is because it is the best available.
The others (above) are good but just not as good as MSE.
They also all nag the shit out of you. MSE does not.

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PajaP the Shill wrote:

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Do you really think anyone, other than yourself, actually trusts
Microsoft to create a better a-v program?  Why would you trust a company
that allows the operating system holes and exploits in the first place?

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   -bts
   -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 07:11:31 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"

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"Allows system holes and exploits?"

You can't honestly spin this that way. Every OS has 'holes' and
vulnerabilities...that are later discovered and fixed.  WTF is your
problem with reality?  

-ps Seen any UFO's lately, that is, since your last abduction?

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| On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 07:11:31 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"

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| "Allows system holes and exploits?"

| You can't honestly spin this that way. Every OS has 'holes' and
| vulnerabilities...that are later discovered and fixed.  WTF is your
| problem with reality?

| -ps Seen any UFO's lately, that is, since your last abduction?

Except Microsoft has the preponderance of vulnerabilities and keeps the IA
community in
high anxiety mode.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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David H. Lipman wrote:

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See signature below for reality.

Of course all OSes have holes and vulnerabilities. However, other than
Windows, there doesn't seem to be any kind of major issue. This
newsgroup probably would not exist without Windows.

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Every night!  My back yard is filled with spots of burned grass!

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..and keeps hundreds of anti-malware software companies with fat tills.

   "Rolls in , rolls in,
   My God how the money rolls in, rolls in.
   Rolls in, rolls in, rolls in,
   My God how the money rolls in."

So ... Windows is good for business!   <lol>

--
   -bts
   -Linux viruses:  a few dozen, and they only exist in the lab
   -Mac viruses:  maybe a hundred, and also mostly in the lab
   -Windows viruses:  I've lost track; do we have a quarter-million yet?

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

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I would add that to clarify that assertion one must recognize that over
90% of the pcs on the planet run a Microsoft OS. You are well aware I'm
sure that Mac OSX and Linux (in all it's distros) also have similar
exploitable vulnerabilities. "A preponderance of vulnerabilities?"
One must quantify that allegation....

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| On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0500, "David H. Lipman"


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| I would add that to clarify that assertion one must recognize that over
| 90% of the pcs on the planet run a Microsoft OS. You are well aware I'm
| sure that Mac OSX and Linux (in all it's distros) also have similar
| exploitable vulnerabilities. "A preponderance of vulnerabilities?"
| One must quantify that allegation....

One only has to be on a CERT email list and you'll see that you get MORE email
on IA
vulnerabilities on MS Windows than on other OS'.

It has NOTHING to do with the distribution of the OS in the field.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 15:49:37 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

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Since common logic seems ineffective, let's try hyperbole instead.

Operating system A has 1 million users over 10 years.
Operating system B has 1 thousand users over 10 years.

Example Data for 10 years
OS A - 25,000 security exploits discovered and corrected
OS B - 250 security exploits discovered and corrected.

FLAWED LOGIC says... 25000 is ONE HUNDRED TIMES greater than 250
therefore operating system A has been less secure than B. Why? Much
bigger raw numbers.

REALITY says... for the sample groups A has a lower % of exploits per
user base than B. Therefore A has been more secure than B. Why? Simple
statistical analysis.

And rightly so as A has a .025% of total installed user base exploit
ratio. By direct comparison B has a 25% of installed user base exploit
ratio. Raw numbers often hide the true reality of a situation.

That was  hyperbole..an exaggerated example used to elucidate an
underlying truth previously unknown or obfuscated. It is not reality as
such but a way to see through data that can be misleading. (i.e. raw
numbers)

Once more let's try COMMON LOGIC mixed with STATISTICAL FACTS.

- statistics as of Feb 2010..
Estimated worldwide installed LinuxOS user base is .98%
Estimated worldwide installed MacOS user base is 5.02%
Estimated worldwide installed WindowsOS user base is 92.12%

(-source http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9 )

Certainly the raw numbers of exploits will be orders of magnitude higher
for whichever OS is installed on 92.12% of all the PCs on Earth. But the
raw numbers are deceptive without quantification.

right David....?



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| On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 15:49:37 -0500, "David H. Lipman"


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| Since common logic seems ineffective, let's try hyperbole instead.

| Operating system A has 1 million users over 10 years.
| Operating system B has 1 thousand users over 10 years.

| Example Data for 10 years
| OS A - 25,000 security exploits discovered and corrected
| OS B - 250 security exploits discovered and corrected.

| FLAWED LOGIC says... 25000 is ONE HUNDRED TIMES greater than 250
| therefore operating system A has been less secure than B. Why? Much
| bigger raw numbers.

| REALITY says... for the sample groups A has a lower % of exploits per
| user base than B. Therefore A has been more secure than B. Why? Simple
| statistical analysis.

| And rightly so as A has a .025% of total installed user base exploit
| ratio. By direct comparison B has a 25% of installed user base exploit
| ratio. Raw numbers often hide the true reality of a situation.

| That was  hyperbole..an exaggerated example used to elucidate an
| underlying truth previously unknown or obfuscated. It is not reality as
| such but a way to see through data that can be misleading. (i.e. raw
| numbers)

| Once more let's try COMMON LOGIC mixed with STATISTICAL FACTS.

| - statistics as of Feb 2010..
| Estimated worldwide installed LinuxOS user base is .98%
| Estimated worldwide installed MacOS user base is 5.02%
| Estimated worldwide installed WindowsOS user base is 92.12%

| (-source http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9 )

| Certainly the raw numbers of exploits will be orders of magnitude higher
| for whichever OS is installed on 92.12% of all the PCs on Earth. But the
| raw numbers are deceptive without quantification.

| right David....?


Wrong.

You are confusing eploitation vs. vulnerability.

Exploitation is a function distribution.

** Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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On 3/6/2010 5:43 PM, David H. Lipman wrote:

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<irrelevant stuff snipped>
Linux users are inclined to be more computer savvy than the average
windows user and that needs to be thrown into the discussion.

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| On 3/6/2010 5:43 PM, David H. Lipman wrote:

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| <irrelevant stuff snipped>
| Linux users are inclined to be more computer savvy than the average
| windows user and that needs to be thrown into the discussion.

OK  :-)

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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A better metric might be the total lines of code (LOC) in those OSes -
more code means more bugs and flaws likely. The marketshare makes it
more worthwhile for those wishing to discover those flaws and bugs to
see what percentage can be leveraged to an exploitable vulnerability.
Looks like a simultaneous equation might give results in line with
David's assertion*.

All *without* having to say MS should make vacuum cleaners.

* (actual mathematical contortions and data collection left as an
excercise for the reader) :o)



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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:38:43 -0500, "FromTheRafters"

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I had intended to add the attraction that the predominate OS has for
malware authors. Way back when around WFW 3.11 the numbers may have been
more skewed towards David's assertions..if so..maybe...BUT certainly not
any longer.

I am (once again) toying with installing Ubuntu in a Win7 dual boot
arrangement. I've looked at it before but as we all know Linux has it's
share of issues too. It's just not the #1 prime target for exploitation
based on it's 5% share of the world's user base. Wonder if that 5%
includes servers too. Hmm....I must really be bored to beat that Linux
horse again. I gotta say (apart from security issues) due to it's
overwhelming popularity, Windows 7 is really sweet.....

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From the playtime I have in on Windows 7 so far ( a few friends bought
new computers and they came with Windows 7) it's very cool. I really
like the snap in feature. So much so, I dug around for a little windows
XP program which emulates the feature. :)


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nudge this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior


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Aside from that, *viruses* (file infectors, as opposed to worms) do not
depend on the aforementioned holes and exploits (I also think BTS meant
software vulnerabilities, not exploits).

That being said, I don't expect much from MSE except mediocrity - not
that that's such a bad thing.




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FromTheRafters wrote:

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BTS did. Any of those nasty things that mess up your life.  <g>

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Good place for a fullstop.

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"MSE - best thing since sliced OSes."   ;-)

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   -The Microsoft Motto: "We're the leaders, wait for us!"

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 07:11:31 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"

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Many millions I would think.

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Name one that does not.

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Seriously tho? Microsoft didn't create the other old one they had known
as MSAV, they bought it, and just.. forgot to keep updating it.

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OS9 *grin*
 



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nudge this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior


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