VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

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Questions for Art & David:

I have both KAVDOSNT and AV-CLS installed on a Win98 PC.

There are a number of files included with KAVDOSNT that aren't in the KAV
folder in AV-CLS.

For example:
Adblock.txt
Aphish.dat
Black.lst
Blst-060.xml
Engine.cfg
Engine.dt
Troj00*.avc
Virus00*.avc
And many others...

I'm guessing that the additional files are part of the features added for
use with NT/2k/XP. Is that correct.

TIA

Chas.



Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:30:09 -0800, "* * Chas"

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No. No special files are required to run on those OS. You are
incorrect in saying those files are included with KAVDOSNT. They
are downloaded by the updater. Once you actually install/update
David's KAVDOS util, the same files will then be there as well.

There isn't much point in having both David's and my util for
KAVDOS32. Which one you use would be a matter of personal
preference since they both use KAVDOS32.EXE as the scanner.
I've arranged the KAVDOSNT.BAT to update and scan predetermined
target folders and their subdirectories. I think David's scans entire
drives by default. But if you take the time to learn how to
use KAVDOS32 without any helper utils, you would gain complete
control over scan options and targets. That's what I suggest you
do. You can see what the scan options are by typing the command
line:
KAVDOS32 /?
  
Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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KAV
for

Thanks for the info.

I have icons set up with command lines to scan specific folders with
KAVDOSNT. I guess that I could change them over to C:\AV-CLS\KAV.

I've run the AV-CLS\KAV update several times. The files I've mentioned
haven't appeared. Could it be that they were used with earlier KAV
configurations?

The latest file dates for Trojan***.avc and Virus***.avc are 2005 and
2006.

When I used to use KAV direct from Kasperski (I actually purchased it) the
folder would get huge with updates then periodically one cumulative update
would clean out all of the older files. Does this still occur?

Chas.



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|
| Thanks for the info.
|
| I have icons set up with command lines to scan specific folders with
| KAVDOSNT. I guess that I could change them over to C:\AV-CLS\KAV.
|
| I've run the AV-CLS\KAV update several times. The files I've mentioned
| haven't appeared. Could it be that they were used with earlier KAV
| configurations?
|
| The latest file dates for Trojan***.avc and Virus***.avc are 2005 and
| 2006.
|
| When I used to use KAV direct from Kasperski (I actually purchased it) the
| folder would get huge with updates then periodically one cumulative update
| would clean out all of the older files. Does this still occur?
|
| Chas.
|

You are correct.  Many of those files are not incorporated in the Kaspersky
module of my
Multi AV Scanning Tool.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:12:26 -0800, "* * Chas"

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Sounds like the updater isn't working. Maybe David will respond.

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Updating replaces older files with new ones, and sometimes adds new
files that didn't exist before.

BTW, with my utils, I forgot to mention that Win 9X/ME users should
use the included KAVDOS.EXE program instead of KAVDOSNT.BAT

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:46:29 GMT, "David H. Lipman"

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However, he's talking about a apparent failure of your updater it
sounds like to me.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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|
| However, he's talking about a apparent failure of your updater it
| sounds like to me.
|
| Art
| http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Failure ?

Never heard of...

  Adblock.txt
  Aphish.dat
  Black.lst
  Blst-060.xml
  Engine.cfg
  Engine.dt

Don't think their needed.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:17:39 GMT, "David H. Lipman"

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Didn't you see the old dates he mentioned? Nothing from 2007???

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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|
| Didn't you see the old dates he mentioned? Nothing from 2007???
|
| Art
| http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Now that you mention it... yes.  :-)

After I posted my previous reply, I ran the Kaspersky module and I got numerous
files that
are current (Feb. '07).

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:30:09 -0800, "* * Chas"

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I think I see now what at least part of your question might be. My
updater downloads cumulatives, weeklys and dailys in ZIP form (if any
of them are newer than the ZIPs in the folder). These ZIPs contain
some files which may not be needed or used by the DOS version of
Kaspersky's scanner. For example, black.lst wouldn't be used by the
DOS scanner. It's probably only used by KAV 6 (and AVS).

David's updater doesn't operate in the same way, so there will likely
be differences along these lines. The main update files for KAVDOS32
are all the *.avc and avp.* which should and must be the same no
matter which updater is used.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg


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KAV

Art,

Thanks for the response. All the other *.avc and avp.* files match.

I didn't want to start a disagreement between you and David, you've both
done a great service to the community.

I was having some strange problems with what has been a mostly trouble
free Win98 system. The original install date was 03-11-2000! It's lived
through several HDD crashes and backup tape or clone restores.

I ran a full maintenance and all of my anti malware programs.

a-squared anti-trojan reported finding the Downloader.Win32.Agent.avq
trojan in C:\Windows\Downloaded Program files\Sporder.dll.

That file was acting odd. Downloaded Program files is a hidden folder but
I have all files set to visible and I couldn't see it in any search or
dropdown box. It was only visible in File Manager and DOS.

I manually moved it to another folder and ran it through the Virustotal
scans. Nothing came up. I've since deleted that Sporder.dll file because
there's a later version in the NOD32 folder.

After all my maintenance including cleaning out the Index.dat flies in
Windows the systems seems to be working OK again.

I had Mwave, KAVDOSNT and AV-CLS installed.

I did a file comparison on them. That's when I found the different files
in KAVDOSNT including the older Tro00*.avc files. I was concerned about
these because of the reported trojan which was probably a FP.

You suggested that I use KAVDOS.EXE instead of KAVDOSNT.BAT to update
Win98. Why is that?

Thanks again,

Chas.



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| Art,
|
| Thanks for the response. All the other *.avc and avp.* files match.
|
| I didn't want to start a disagreement between you and David, you've both
| done a great service to the community.
|
| I was having some strange problems with what has been a mostly trouble
| free Win98 system. The original install date was 03-11-2000! It's lived
| through several HDD crashes and backup tape or clone restores.
|
| I ran a full maintenance and all of my anti malware programs.
|
| a-squared anti-trojan reported finding the Downloader.Win32.Agent.avq
| trojan in C:\Windows\Downloaded Program files\Sporder.dll.
|
| That file was acting odd. Downloaded Program files is a hidden folder but
| I have all files set to visible and I couldn't see it in any search or
| dropdown box. It was only visible in File Manager and DOS.
|
| I manually moved it to another folder and ran it through the Virustotal
| scans. Nothing came up. I've since deleted that Sporder.dll file because
| there's a later version in the NOD32 folder.
|
| After all my maintenance including cleaning out the Index.dat flies in
| Windows the systems seems to be working OK again.
|
| I had Mwave, KAVDOSNT and AV-CLS installed.
|
| I did a file comparison on them. That's when I found the different files
| in KAVDOSNT including the older Tro00*.avc files. I was concerned about
| these because of the reported trojan which was probably a FP.
|
| You suggested that I use KAVDOS.EXE instead of KAVDOSNT.BAT to update
| Win98. Why is that?
|
| Thanks again,
|
| Chas.
|

Disagreement between Art and I ?

*No Way !*

Through such discussions comes feedback that may be used to improve our
utilities.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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both
lived
but
Virustotal
because
files
about
utilities.
I'm keeping both of them installed - for comparison....  ;-)

Thanks,

Chas.



Re: VAVDOSNT Vs. KAV in AV-CLS

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:50:42 -0800, "* * Chas"

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For only updating it doesn't make any difference. But for scanning, it
does because the predetermined target folder selections I set in
KAVDOSNT.BAT are not there on Win 9X/ME. For example, one of the
targets is c:\winnt instead of c:\windows

The KAVDOS.EXE program is more general purpose. You can update using
it as well, and you have complete freedom of scan option and scan
target selections.

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You're welcome. Glad to hear you got some things sorted out.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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