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Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



On Tuesday 23 March 2010 07:51 RayLopez99 wrote:

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A good question, but perhaps you are asking the wrong people?
Would it be better (just as an example) to address your question to
Manchester City Council or to the Greater Manchester Police?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8492669.stm

It is of course quite possible that the administrators were not so
knowledgable as yourself, and would therefore benefit from your advice.
Judging by the cost of outbreaks like these, I'm sure you could make a lot
of money - the cost seems to work out at about £1,000,000 a time to clean
up the mess.
Go for it :-)


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I have to run Win7 @ work.  At home I run Opensuse 11.2.  I have run Linux
@ home since 1998.  I have never had a virus or malware take down a linux
system.  However, on my job I clean literally dozens of infected M$
machines weekly.  Some of them are pretty nasty too.  So far, I haven't
gotten my work machine infected . . . so far . . .

We try to convince our customers to lock down their users to help limit
their rate of infection but they usually don't take our suggestions.  Users
with administrator rights exacerbate the virus/malware problems.  Although,
a machine can be infected with a user limited to "user" level access, the
infection is usually much less severe and easier to clean up.  Anyway,
malware/viruses are a M$ fact of life and I've just gotten used to dealing
with it. . . . Helps "pay the rent" too . . . heh!

BB


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RayLopez99 wrote:

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I was running AVG ver. 8 and got some malware that hogged all the CPU
time.  It caused operation to slow so much that I couldn't run the
computer and had to transfer the HD to a computer with a dual core
CPU.  A full scan with AVG indicated the problem but couldn't fix it.
Norton detected nothing, and free online scans by Trend and PC Pit
Stop didn't fix it (I don't remember if they detected it), but Bit
Defender partially did, and the rest of the problem was solve with
either ComboFix or SmithFraudFix.

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What OS?  What year? What was the name of the virus if I can ask?
That sounds incredible.

RL

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RayLopez99 wrote:
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XP Home 32-bit, before Feb. 18, 2008, and I can't remember.

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That AV data is very nearly a FULL YEAR OLD coming from May 2009.
Their most recent test data on that site is FEB 2010.

However to answer your question YES...I have seen malware blocked here
as recently as yesterday in a zipped archive. My PC  was infected once
years ago with Spanska4250 virus...that was about 20 years ago. The fact
that Linux boxes are less infected is in part because Linux boxes make
up less then 1 % of the world wide installed base of PCs.  They also
have a more secure default user environment which is to their credit.

Just yesterday I burned the Ubuntu v10 beta 1 CD and 'played around'
with it just from the CD w/o installing. It was interesting but I cannot
see revamping my already smooth running Windows 7 system to (supposedly)
obtain a different breed (Linux) of smooth running operating system just
for alleged AV advantages. The real difference I'll never switch to a
Linux box is availability of truly great software..not just so-called
Linux "equivalent' stuff which is NOT nearly as good.


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Per RayLopez99:
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Yes but....

The AV popped it's "Warning" dialog on an incoming email message,
*but* the user did not heed that dialog and took the trouble to
click whatever button told the AV to ignore the virus instead of
clicking the default button which told the AV to delete the
virus.
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PeteCresswell

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT), RayLopez99

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I have used Windows since version 2 and never had a virus problem of
any kind.

I have used many different antivirus products over the years but I've
no idea how well any work as I have not had a problem in the first
place. My currently installed product is MSE because it runs
passively, keeps itself up to date, uses minimal resources and never
disturbs me with stupid messages.

Steve

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Neural network applications, help and support.

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steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk says...
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How do you know if you've not checked your system with other anti-
malware scanners?



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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.  
Trust yourself.
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As I said before, I have used many different scanners.

Steve

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Neural network applications, help and support.

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT), RayLopez99 wrote:

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It happens all the time.
Usually brought in from outside sources and when the person
bypasses the checking.

It's like everything else in the world, you can't prevent an idiot
from circumventing the tools put in place to protect him.

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Moshe wrote:
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Several of my correspondents have had their machines compromised by
spyware/etc, happens about once every couple of months. Sign: e-mails
with appropriated addresses and inappropriate content. _All_ of them had
McAfee or Norton installed. Most of them even paid the yearly
subscription (update) fee.

My wife's machine was compromised about three years ago. We changed her
e-mail address, and installed AVG, and then (after AVG became bloated
and slow) Avira as primary protection. Also scan with MBAM, Spybot S&D,
etc, about once a month, just in case.

cheers,
wolf k.

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Moshe, your examples are fine, but they are not what I'm talking
about.  That's not a real example since the user deliberately
circumvented safeguards to keep out the virus from their system.  In
other words, anybody can disable their AV software, or ignore repeated
warnings, and "install" the virus on their system deliberately (or
even 'accidentally' through negligence).

That's not a true virus infection.

RL


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My brothers home PC was hit by a hacked button on website that he visited
daily for a year or more.  His WindowsXP SP3 was attacked by Ransomware that
put a big blurb on the his desktop about needing some fictional antivirus
and it trashed his Microsoft Office and some of his Windows stuff.  I ran a
full scan on his system with his Norton 360 and it fixed the Windows problem
and desktop blurb but had to reinstall Office and a couple other programs
trashed.  It wasn't a Trojan or something Antivirus could stop since it ran
when he hit link on a normally safe webpage and he didn't do something risky
to do.  His is the only system attacked like that I've personally seen;
that is one threat that I've read about in a PC World Security Threats
article.

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OK, fine, but essentially your brother accidentally installed a
program he should not have had--kind of like those junk shareware
programs that infect your registry and can never be removed, even
after Uninstall (I have a few myself).  But strictly speaking I would
not call this a true virus or rootkit.

And it could happen to somebody in Linux land (accidental installation
of a program).

Anybody else?  So far nobody has proved a serious true virus infection
has occurred on a Windows machine.

RL

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On Tuesday 23 March 2010 19:53 RayLopez99 wrote:

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So have you talked to Manchester City Council or the Greater Manchester
Police Dept. now?  What did they say?  Was it all a hoax, and they coughed
up nearly £2,000,000 between them on that account?


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In article <cad6a78e-edab-4aa9-bc31-b0e03f6ce298
@o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, raylopez88@gmail.com says...
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Sorry, you're wrong - seen it many times, many. One of the worst I saw
was a malware spread via Yahoo Instant Messenger that contained a SMTP
engine. This happened at a sorority, in about 30 minutes 45 computers
were compromised as it spread to each of their lists....

The ISP saw it also, they turned off their internet connection in under
2 hours because of all the spam containing malware that their machines
were sending out.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.  
Trust yourself.
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OK, fine.  The "one of the worse" examples was spread through Yahoo
IM.  I don't use that program.  Nor do most people who do serious
work. So yes, some teens who use IM and who may or may not practice
Safe Hex (which is simply using an AV program in Windows), got
infected. Shame, but it proves nothing.


RL

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In article <2b3461cc-d2b5-46c0-9fa3-32fd26e1418a@
33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, raylopez88@gmail.com says...
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RL, you seem to be a combative personality type based on your posts.

Many people that do REAL work use IM all over the planet, many=20
development teams, support teams, etc...=20

What you seem to be missing is the concept of how malware is spread on=20
windows machines - exploits and social engineering as well as drive-by=20
web attacks. Like many malware spread via IM, Facebook, email, they all=20
appear to be legit attachments, files, links, until you inspect them and=20
for most people that's too late.

I've already proven that having an Antivirus solution doesn't protect=20
you in all cases. We've all, at least those of us that run IT companies,=20
have seen exploits get past "Local User" accounts, such as the SQL=20
injection ones....=20

So, running as a local user, with any version of anti-virus software=20
from any vendor, all patches installed from MS, I've seen, first hand,=20
hundreds of Windows WP and now Vista/Win 7 computers compromised.

Oh, and most of those computers were not using IM, didn't even have it=20
installed.

As I've said, you seem to be a combative type person and you don't want=20
to learn from those of us that have real-world, decades of experience=20
doing this.

--=20
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little=20
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.  
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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Projection noted.


I suppose if you are in sales.  Development teams?  Why?  Except for
group online meetings, and even, then (Skype video is better) I would
think email is better...but perhaps you're right.

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Fine. THEORY.  Give me a real work EXAMPLE Leythos.

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HA HA HA.  A comedian.  A combative comedian. Andrew Dice Clay your
show name?


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BU LL S H IT.  Now you've become the "Rex Ballard" of C.O.L.A.  SQL
injection attacks are ancient history and obsolete, due to the way
commands are entered, parametrically, in ADO.NET (Windows database
language).  I know, as I code.  Any other falsehoods you care to
share?


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Nope. You have not seen.  What you've seen (and I've seen this too) is
a corporation get infected because a user installed a virus by
mistake, and sent it around to co-workers (typically via email) who
did not have the latest AV patches installed on their machines.
Corporations use old hardware and software and are often behind the
times in Safe Hex.

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Oh, really?  Oh.  Doubtful. How did they get infected then?

RL

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