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Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



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A better question would be why would you, or anyone else here, be the
least bit interested in what *my* system is all about? The only thing
that should be important to you is *your* system. I know about my
system(s), but I don't have any information about yours, so you'll
have to figure it out for yourself. My example should help get you
started.


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Maybe, just, maybe, you replied with "If you assume..." as part of your
reply... So, it's not that we really give a rats butt about your system,
just wondering why you "assumed" instead of actually checking?

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I don't think that would have helped, but your point is taken. :)


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none@none.invalid says...
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I think it would have helped you to really assess your actual savings,
if you used real data.

My electric cost averages $0.16, but my power differential is so low
during off periods, like in your example, that the cost savings is
worthless to me - I waste more than $15/month on food I should not be
eating :-)

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I didn't feel it was necessary to populate the example with my own
actual savings. That's why I used such round numbers. In my own case,
I know what my usage, costs, and savings are, but again, I didn't
think it would be interesting to anyone else.

Besides, it wasn't my example to begin with. Wasn't it you who set the
initial parameters of "off 8 hours a day versus on 24/7"? I was just
putting sample numbers to that scenario.

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$15/month would be significant to some, but I only calculated
$15/year, so it really falls into the weeds. And yes, I too waste
money on stuff that isn't good for me. :)


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On 3/24/2010 8:19 PM, Leythos wrote:

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No, do you?

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:59:14 -0400, ToolPackinMama

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It's pretty easy to check with something like this:

P3 Kill A Watt Electricity Load Meter and Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001


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Greater than less (  more > less ). With a motor, it takes more ( >
less) power until the motor spins up to generate the opposing "back
voltage" that a spinning motor generates. Running for some period of
time is equal to this power consumption. De-energizing for less than
that period of time will not save you any power. As for the bulbs, there
is that factor plus the efficiency and the life expectancy of the bulb
is reduced with multiple starts (though I don't know exactly why).

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Me too. We unplug most of our "vampire electronics".

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@news.eternal-september.org:

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If it's a filament based bulb, it's due to the thermals of the wire
heating and rapidly cooling. It's why on the incandescent house lights in
the states, if you hit the light switch rapidly for a little while you
might burn a bulb out. hehehe.. Filament will only take so much.
 


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No, it's the compact florescent bulb. It has some sort of a ballast
circuit and mercury vapor I think.



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I use a dimmer to turn my lights on and off slowly.
I've been running dimmers ever since I starting lighting.
I've never lost a bulb yet.
I've never had a virus since I started computing in 1983 either. :-)

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Dustin Cook wrote:
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AIUI, rapid heating and cooling causes mechanical stress, which fatigues
the filament, causing a local high resistance spot, which causes temp
high enough to melt teh filament.

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philnblanc@comcast.net says...
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You're distracted - the comments I made addressed a part of the issue of
turning hardware on/off, nothing about Saving Power.

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| Just over 45 years. The end is in sight. :)

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| I know what you're saying is a commonly held belief. I used to repeat
| it myself, but I have to admit that looking back over the last 20-30
| years that it simply isn't true. I think it used to be true in the
| days of vacuum tubes, but not since then.

| Here's someone who agrees with me, or vice versa:
| <http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers-questions.html#turnoff
|
<http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-juice-is-your-computer-using-at-night-145/

| The articles are mostly about saving energy, but they touch on the
| power cycle issue, as well.


If chips are soldered down they STILL suffer from chip-creep due to
exapansion/contraction
cycles.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:59:33 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

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I hear you, but I just don't buy that it's a significant issue. In
fact, I don't think it's an issue at all.


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So you've never heard of chip creep either then..

Are you actually fixing stuff professionally and charging money for your
services or just some dude helping his neighbors out?
 



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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:09:37 GMT, Dustin Cook

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I see from our other thread, and confirmed here, that you're quite
dense and simultaneously quite full of yourself. I'll try to break it
down for you.

I'm quite familiar with chip creep as it pertains to socketed chips. I
have not heard of it being applied to soldered chips until this
thread. If it exists with regard to socketed chips, it's sufficiently
rare to be a non-issue. Does that help you at all?

Seriously, I had a lot more respect for you before you started being
such an ass.


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dense? and full of myself. Sorry pal, I'm certainly not dense as I
clearly have considerably more knowledge on the subject, and that's
hardly being full of myself. That's just how it is.
 
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Actually, I didn't say chip creep was an issue on soldered chips; If you
understood the principles behind chip creep in the first place that
wouldn't even be a question you'd consider... Chip creep only applies to
socketed chips.

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I'm not interested in your respect. And sir, for the record; you were the
ass in the first place. I just responded in kind.
 

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bughunter.dustin@gmail.com says...
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While chip creep may only apply to socketed chips, I've seen chips,
actually the pins, come unsoldered by hot/cold cycles. We had a real
issue with that in the military in at one point.

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On 3/25/2010 9:48 PM, Leythos wrote:
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So what happened?  Did the military decide to never turn anything off,
ever again?

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