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Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?




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Yes, while using XP. I clicked on a site from a cigar NG that sold torch
lighters. Got shot to some chinese site and my "free" CA AV program lit up
like a xmas tree. It warned me of the infection and supposedly deleted it.
But it wasn't gone. It eventually took over the whole machine and ended up
doing a reformat to regain control. Needless to say that was the end of my
using CA products...whatever the price.


Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?




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So, you blamed your AV program for what probably resulted from a
browser, script, or pdf exploit. Your AV program probably detected only
one part of the total amount of malware instantiated in the attack.
Don't be fooled into believing the better AVs will be that much better.



Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



From: RayLopez99
Subj: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows
when using AV protection?Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT)

Hello, RayLopez99!

You wrote on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT):


 R> It compares 16 commercial programs, and finds Microsoft at #2,
 R> catching 60% of all viruses (Avanti is #1 at 70%).  And we're taking
 R> about all viruses, some of which as so obscure I'm sure you'll never
 R> seen one in the wild...


Avira Premium came out with version 10, haven't looked at it much yet. It
was automatically updated on my server.

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Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



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Of course.

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As I recall the comparatives example was for home solutions only. The
Corporate solutions may
be better namely as the configurations and options may be locked down (which
you do not have
for the average home user). The #1 concern causing problems either way is
users running with
local admin privs. AV does not do much good in those cases. Also the baddies
are creating new
versions of virus types and other malware that the companies can barely keep
up with.


Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?





Here's an example of how code could get on a normal user (who is logged in
with administrator rights) without the user actually being responsible for
it.

http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-08.html

Btw, All firefox users should probably go ahead and update if you haven't
already.


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Very interesting, thanks.  I think buffer overruns is the root of all
evil--I guess when this happens you can do the equivalent of SQL
injection attacks and JavaScript will run wild...or something.

RL

Security researcher Evgeny Legerov of Intevydis reported that the WOFF
decoder contains an integer overflow in a font decompression routine.
This flaw could result in too small a memory buffer being allocated to
store a downloadable font. An attacker could use this vulnerability to
crash a victim's browser and execute arbitrary code on his/her system.

Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



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In just 2 days, this topic has generated over 200 articles.  Most of
whom have had very unpleasant things to say about Microsoft.

You tried valiantly to defend Microsoft, numerous times.  But people
felt strongly enough about this issue to respond back several times.
Some just gave up and want back to personal attacks (shame on you Mr
Kohlmann).  But that turned into more personal attacks (shame on you
One Shot, One Kill).

You like to claim that 99% of the people who use computers choose
Windows.  In reality, most people don't really have much of a choice.
Windows comes on the computer, whether they like it or not, they can't
get service or support if they take it off completely, and Retailers
don't ever put Linux machine on display in the retail stores, in a way
that users can actually take a properly configured Linux machine for a
"Test Drive".

Even more remarkable is that - at minimum - tens of millions of users
(assuming 1% of 1 billion) are willing to install Linux themselves.

Most people really identify with he Mac commercial, enough that
roughly 28 million people decide they would rather spend 3-5 times
more money for a Mac running OS/X than a machine that has only been
configured to run Windows.

Best Buy is now selling separate support program and replacement
program.  The support program is for those who stick with Windows, and
plan to stay with it.  The replacement program is only if you drop
your computer or for some other reason it needs to be replaced due to
a hardware problem.

This may be because so many people were refusing to pay for a service/
replacement program that was nullified if they installed Linux.

Furthermore, more and more people are opting not to buy new versions
of Microsoft Office.  Will Office 97 or Office 2000 run on Windows 7?
Maybe they are just moving Office 2003 over.  Still, there isn't
really an overwhelming case to be made for spending even $169 to
upgrade to Office 2007.  Microsoft has tried to offset this by
offering free trial-versions that automatically charge your credit
card when you forget to tell them you don't want it.

Even that hasn't worked very well, so now they are offering you a free
download of Office 2010, whenever it becomes available - if you by
Office 2007 now.  Furthermore, the retailers are taking as much as $40
off if you buy it in the store.

Of course, if you don't buy the 3 year replacement plan, and the 3
year service plan, for a total price of around $500, then the store
actually loses money on the sale.  So does the manufacturer.  In fact,
the only company that makes any money on the sale of a Laptop or
desktop system - is Microsoft.


Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?



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Yes, yes, those clowns are just noise.  But you Rex, you are a
different animal all together.

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Right.  Marketing it's called.  Shelf space.

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Right. Hobbyists.


Yes, correct again.  You're on a roll Rex.

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Could be.


Could be.


Right.  Hard times.  Recession.

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Nope.  Your one and only big mistake in this thread, and it's
crucial.  They will make money at any price a little over zero.  The
marginal cost of software is close to $1.  Economics 101.  Mentioned
in the MSFT-USA antitrust trial.

Good night and good fight Rex!

RL


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