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Re: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?




| On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama

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| I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, the
| primary reason for turning a system off is to save electricity.


Actualy the quiescent temperature is better since you dont have hard drive
warming
exapnsion and drive cooling contraction cycles adding tom the wear and tear
factor and
aging of a hard disk.

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:14:24 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

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Probably true, but I have no evidence, even anecdotal evidence, to
indicate that it makes an appreciable difference in equipment life. :)


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On 3/23/2010 10:38 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
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I feel constrained to point out that if they can't be bothered to keep
their PC free of malware, that it's probably better if their equipment
fails sooner.



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none@none.invalid says...
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If you've worked with Electronics for any length of time, and with
devices that have bearings, you would know, without guessing, that
turning off a device increases chances of a problem when you try and use
it again. There are also times when a device fails due to normal
wear/tear/age....

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Just over 45 years. The end is in sight. :)

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I know what you're saying is a commonly held belief. I used to repeat
it myself, but I have to admit that looking back over the last 20-30
years that it simply isn't true. I think it used to be true in the
days of vacuum tubes, but not since then.

Here's someone who agrees with me, or vice versa:
<http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers-questions.html#turnoff
<http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-juice-is-your-computer-using-at-night-145/

The articles are mostly about saving energy, but they touch on the
power cycle issue, as well.


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none@none.invalid says...
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<http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-juice-is-your-computer-using-at-night-145/
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Having designed hardware for decades and been responsible for failure
analysis, I can assure you that turning off computers does contribute to
their failure when you power them back on again.

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On 3/24/2010 2:59 PM, Leythos wrote:

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Never mind the damage infected computers do while they are pointlessly
left running.

Oh, and never mind the energy savings, either.

I would never base a decision like that on whether it speeds up the
wearing-out process.  There are larger questions to consider.

Maybe it wears out the switch on my lamp to turn it on and off, but do
any of you think we should therefore leave all lamps burning night and
day?  Nobody would assert that we should, for fear of seeming foolish,
because to everybody THAT is obviously preposterous.


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Electronics (and motors in particular) consume more energy when they are
first energized. It's kinda like those compact florescent bulbs, they
consume most of their power when starting, then are very efficient
thereafter. Putting one in your refrigerator would likely *increase*
your power usage rather than the opposite. There is a point of
diminishing returns when the duty cycle is dialed back too far.

As for wear and tear, much engineering has been done to mitigate any
increases in failure rate due to the thermal effects of duty cycles in
electrical/electronic equipment. Still..mitigation is only a step in the
right direction, not a cure.



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On 3/24/2010 5:31 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

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More... for the whole rest of their lives?  Or more for the rest of the
day?  Or more... what do you mean by "more"?

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I'm sure.

Still..mitigation is only a step in the
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I still am turning my computer off when I am not using it.  If not using
it actually reduces the life-cycle of the components (by whatever
means), then I guess I can live with that.

I also am going to continue to urge people to turn theirs off when not
in use, and I urge you all to do the same - but NOT because it will
extend the life of the components.

I'm not the one who said it would, anyway, so I don't mind conceding
that point.



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philnblanc@comcast.net says...
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If you consider the following:

Your LCD monitor goes to sleep in XX minutes if not used
Your Hard-Drive goes to sleep in XX minutes if not used
Your CPU throttles down in XX minutes under no load
Your case fans throttle down when the heat decreases

If you use your computer for 12-16 hours per day, how much money does it
save you over 1 year to turn it off for 8 hours per day?

Do you actually know the power level difference when all of the power
saving features, except suspend/hibernation, are used vs. turning the
computer completely off?

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A better question would be do they know how to check? :)


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bughunter.dustin@gmail.com says...
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Having used a amp probe to setup my generator system and transfer box, I
know almost exactly the low use, high use, and surge rating for every
circuit in my house based on the typical devices connected to any
feed....

I'm betting that most people that CLAIM the want to save power don't
have a clue, in reality, and just go by something posted on a blog
somewhere.

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If you assume a power savings of 50 watts (low power state versus off
state) and a KWh cost of $.10, my back of the napkin calculation is
just under $15 a year in savings. Obviously, the actual numbers will
vary depending on the specific system and the local cost of power,
causing the result to vary.


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not
it

So.. thats a no then? Not very difficult to see how much wattage your
system is actually using in a low power state... Bad to just take a guess
and try to pass that off as knowing... ?


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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:08:44 GMT, Dustin Cook

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Nobody asked me about *my* PC. I was providing a generic example. Plug
in your own numbers to get a result that's meaningful to you. I can't
do it from here.


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I was thinking about this while watching my mother (83) walking around
unplugging the vampires. The phone, the intercom, the radio - then over
to the TV and the cable box... I was trying to calculate the yearly
energy expenditure versus the savings but couldn't find the conversion
table for kilowatt hours to oatmeal bowls.

...and I thought this scientific calculator had everything...



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FromTheRafters wrote:
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Ah well, it's exercise for her. Good, that.

wolf k.

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FromTheRafters wrote:
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http://www.p3international.com/products/p4460.html

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Sweet! Thanks for the link.



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none@none.invalid says...
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Why would you make an "Assumption" instead of actually learning how much
your system is using?

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Trust yourself.
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