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Seriously, has anybody seen--or even heard--of a serious virus
(including rootkit or malware) problem in Windows when using
commercial antivirus protection?

One of the claims of the Linux crowd is that such problems are
legion.  But talking so some of the people at alt.comp.anti-virus I
get the impression such problems are rare.

Who is more right?

BTW, check out this PDF on AV software:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report22.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEDInyvV2WgWDzeAWeAjzJKLymkDA

It compares 16 commercial programs, and finds Microsoft at #2,
catching 60% of all viruses (Avanti is #1 at 70%).  And we're taking
about all viruses, some of which as so obscure I'm sure you'll never
seen one in the wild...

RL

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RayLopez99 wrote:

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Yes


So the estimate that around 30% of all windows computers are infected is
"rare problems"

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In short, you brag about those new viruses found by AV software.
And then gallantly forget about those 31% to 86% *not* found.

That you are incredibly stupid has been proven time and again, the last
instances were your imbecile claims of "open source"

But this again shows that you are a lot dumber than dirt

And your problem obviously is that you are not just /acting/ dumb. You
*are* dumb. Incredibly dumb
--
I say you need to visit Clues 'R' Us. They are having a special on
slightly used clues.


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On Tirsdag 23. mars 2010 09.20, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

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*raises hand*
about 200 Windows desktops were knocked out at my latest $orkplace when
someone connected an infected laptop to the LAN. This was an office of one
of the world's largest outsourcing companies, well protected by commercial
AV systems.

It took the IT staff a few hours to clean up the mess. Unfortunately, we two
Linux users missed the opportunity to point out to the manglement that we
were able to continue working ...

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The incidence report from offices world wide was full of virus alerts and
attacks.



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Peter Köhlmann wrote:
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[snip]

30%?

What an illogical conclusion from what was said.
Are you a politician??
Same kind of logic they use.
Buffalo




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Buffalo wrote:

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It wasn't a conclusion from what was written in this thread

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Are you a Mac user? Those tend to be extremely stupid.
Or are you (even worse) a windows user?
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If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.


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Peter Köhlmann wrote:
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Another illogical comment . Must be a Republican  !! Are you Rush L. in
disguise??

Of course it was. If you can't see that, you have a problem.

Quote below from the OP first post.

"It compares 16 commercial programs, and finds Microsoft at #2,
catching 60% of all viruses (Avanti is #1 at 70%).  And we're taking
about all viruses, some of which as so obscure I'm sure you'll never
seen one in the wild..."

So I guess the  "Avanti is #1 at 70%" was not the premise of the reply?
C'mon!
Perhaps the 30 % was taken from that comment, since I did not see 70 or 30%
mentioned elseware.
BTW, what is Avanti  ?  :)
Damn!!
Buffalo



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Did you know that Peter is a Windows user? its true. He's a closed
source Windows programmer. In other words he is responsible for a lot of
the "brain dead" applications that run on Windows. Amazing isn't it? So
is his lickspittle "mini me" Chris Ahlstrom.

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LOL.  But Hadron you assume Peter's code is actually being used.  More
likely he is part of a team and as a junior programmer his work is
redone (and done right) by a senior programmer.  The senior programmer
would have fired Peter by now, but doesn't want to rock the boat and
besides, it gives the senior guy something to do: debugging Peter's
code.  I've seen this arrangement in practice.

RL


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On 3/23/2010 2:49 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
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I've been using windows for years, never had a virus. It's not that I
think windows is necessarily better, but it runs the apps I want to use.
I've no doubt others do get these things, but since I've no idea what
they are doing when they get infected I'm in no position to comment. As
to being stupid I'm too old to worry about such trivial matters.

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The question was about the subset of all Windows computers that are
"protected" by commercial AV, not the entire set of Windows computers
estimated (by you?) to be infested. I can guess that greater than that
30% of all Windows computers are completely unprotected (after their
bundled AV runs out).



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Thanks.  I just realized that by including two newsgroups in addition
to comp.os.linux.advocacy, namely alt.comp.anti-virus,
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, you get smarter answers.

Perhaps it's right what people first told me about COLA:  it's just a
place for flaming, not serious advocacy.  Shame really, as I do think
Linux does a few things better than Window (the virtual directory
scheme of Unix comes to mind).

RL

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What ever you do don't get Panda AV software, IMO.

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Pretty dismal results on the part of the payware AV programs.
~50 to 70 percent and that is being generous.

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT)

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Hm, download http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads ,
make virtual machine file, install os.
Make backup of file.
Surf the interent in virtual machine.
After serf, erase virtual machine file. Restore from backup.
Rinse and repeat. No need for AV  at all ;)

Greets


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Sometimes online sometimes not



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Have you heard of the expression, 'Using a sledgehammer to crack a
nut.'?

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Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:28:00 -0000

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Remember alien 2 movie. They wanted to nuke whole planet to exterminate
aliens ;) "to be sure"

Greets!

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http://maxa.homedns.org /

Sometimes online sometimes not



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This neglects "in session" malware, and the possibility of detection and
escape from emulated environments.

This is an example of "recovery" (actually a restore) - AV is (was)
primarily a "prevention" scheme.



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People I meet have many times asked me if they should shut their Windows
computers off at night, and I always say, "Yes, keep your PC off unless
you are using it."

I figure if it's off, an infected computer can do less damage.

Somebody out there keeps advising people that it's "better for the
computer" to leave it on all the time.  If you are one of the people
that is doing that, stop doing that.  A computer is not a refrigerator:
the data won't go bad if the power is off.

Please, guys and gals, urge your friends and customers to turn the
computers off when they are not using them... unless there is a
compelling reason to do otherwise.

I don't think it's too extreme to ask people to remain unconnected from
the net unless they are actively sending/receiving.  A person doesn't
have to be connected to compose an email, only to send it.








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Yep, same with the bathroom lights.

...and with the PC it becomes less accessible and thus less useful to
outsiders.

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It is best to ensure an infected computer is not connected to others.
Off is generally a good idea, but in some cases the "damage" can be done
by your turning it off.

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That argument goes back and forth. Mostly it is wear and tear due to
thermal expansion/contraction, and motor startup surges cited. It's
true, but it's less true than it used to be.

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I even poweroff my laptop rather than let it sleep or hibernate.

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Most everybody I know does already. :o\

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Well, I connect to the LAN and the WAN at the same time. Actually, the
cable company owns the equipment and it is (nearly) always on.



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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama

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I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, the
primary reason for turning a system off is to save electricity.


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