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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 9/5/2011 8:07 PM, David Brown wrote:


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Do you think this makes a difference with most companies using the MS
platform?

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Again, do you think that this makes a difference with most companies
using the MS platform?

I have only seen Linux being used in two companies in the numerous shops
I have been in a .NET contract programmer. In one, Linux was a total
failure as the IT director tried to ram Linux down the IT department's
throat that was MS. They turned on him and left him hanging in the wind.
The second company was using Linux and Oracle while the rest of the shop
was MS.



Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 06/09/2011 02:24, Big Steel wrote:
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If you have a company with a very rigid IT structure, with identical
machines mass-configured in advance, then no, it makes no difference.
But we don't have that - we have very varied systems and needs, and
while most desktops are Windows of some sort, the type of machine, OS,
software, usage, etc., is widely different across the company.

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Given that you are a programmer for a MS-specific platform, it's not
surprising that you see MS systems!

And of course a attempt to "ram Linux down their throat" was a failure -
it wouldn't matter what you tried to use if that was the attitude.
Trying to change an existing server infrastructure to a different
platform is no small matter.



Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

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I'll know the Microsoft monopoly is over when I see Linux desktops and
laptops from DELL, HP, Gateway, Lenovo, Sony, Toshiba, Acer, ASUS, etc.
for sale on the shelves of Best Buy, Office Depot, Target, Walmart, Staples,
etc.

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 9/5/2011 8:33 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
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Well, he'll be dust in his grave before it happens.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post j43q1p$ui9$3@dont-email.me on 9/5/11 5:33 PM:

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Several of those companies have *tried* to sell Linux based systems.  They
do not sell well.  But you blame Microsoft.


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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 06/09/2011 04:32, Snit wrote:
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None of them tried very hard!

It's a combination of effects - MS's heavy handed business approach is
only one of them.

The main issue is that to be able to build, sell and support a decent
selection of Linux machines, a company has to invest in training,
testing, design, etc.  But the margins are so thin in the branch that
none of these suppliers can afford that unless there were a big market.
  And without Linux machines from these suppliers, there will be no
momentum in the market place.  It's a classic chicken-and-egg situation.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown stated in post y5KdndE_FZh7Q_jTnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d@lyse.net on
9/6/11 1:48 AM:

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What?  What more do you want of them?

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Please show support for this tie to MS.  Remember, when netbooks first came
out and there was some demand for alternate solutions, the market met those
demands.  As those stopped selling, they stopped being sold (go figure)!
 
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Right: nothing to do with Microsoft's "heavy hand".

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Well, without a product that competes well, there will be no demand.
Desktop Linux solutions do keep getting better and better though.



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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 06/09/2011 10:17 AM, Snit wrote:
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[snip]

This is the sort of round'n'round argument that I expect on the Linux
newsgroups.

Sigh.

Wolf K.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote:

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Yep.  The Linux pre-builts are *not* less expensive than Windows
pre-builts, largely due to bundleware subsidies and Micro$oft
"incentives".

This has already been explained countless times, of course, but the
Shit troll has to spew the same old lies.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 06/09/2011 14:26, chrisv wrote:
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When we (my company) buy PC's with windows installed from a local
supplier, we pay them extra to remove all the demo versions,
time-limited software, "Acer security software", "HP Wireless network
wizard", and such junk.  It is /such/ a time-waste when you buy a
machine with windows "pre-installed" - you answer a couple of questions
(such as the language for the installation), then have to wait a couple
of hours while windows is /actually/ installed, along with piles of
useless junk.  And you can't just leave the machine to handle it - you
have to answer the odd question or click "OK" during the process.  Then
you've got another couple of hours work to get rid of the junk - and you
hope that removing the manufacturers stupid "extras" doesn't also remove
drivers for the hardware.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

chrisv stated in post j64c671pjgsk1fk1g6and84ih6b2q305fu@4ax.com on 9/6/11
5:26 AM:

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There is also cost to testing of systems for compatibility, cost of support,
etc.  Those costs do not go down significantly just because Linux systems do
not sell well.

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Just because you spread false "advocate" FUD does not mean it is accepted!



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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 09/06/2011 05:26 AM, chrisv wrote:
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All he can do is lie.

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On 09/03/2011 04:26 PM, David Brown wrote:
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I don't have much money and am a Linux fanatic but even I own several
licenses for Windows.

Let's see
3 XPs
3 Vistas
4 Windows 7
I also have MS Office. Several versions

This year alone I have used about 5000 euros to Microsoft software and
other Windows based software. So I probably don't count as freetard :-)

Worst thing in this is that this money really should have gone to FOSS
projects. Maybe next year...

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The quality of the components is generally better also when you build it
yourself.

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Exactly! And when I nowadays have to use Windows machine I am waiting
all the time when it is going to act up... "not responding" or some
other shit. Also the regular reinstallations are pain.
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I like the LibreOffice/OpenOffice. When ever you end up on a foreign
machine and have to write something - just download it from net - no
questions asked :-)

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote:

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Yep, and this has been explained countless times.  Big Stool is just a
typical lying Windows advocate.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 9/6/2011 8:22 AM, chrisvictim wrote:
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All  chris victim can do, the most hated poster in COLA, is lip-service
3rd party as he does his usual ass-kiss rounds. There is nothing new
here. This clown is also a MS something and is a hypocrite too. He works
for Quick Solutions in Westerville, Ohio as MS consulting firm.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:38:52 -0400, Big Steel <"The
Steel11177ttta"@Steel11277ttta.com> wrote:

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I'm sure he won't be losing any sleep over it, D.


Jim

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 9/3/2011 11:54 AM, James Egan wrote:
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Kiss my ass Jungle Jim and crawl back to your hole, I am not going to
loose any sleep over it either.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:59:34 -0400, Big Steel <"The
Steel11177ttta"@Steel11277ttta.com> wrote:

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I see you're still vying for usenet numpty of the year, D. Keep taking
the tablets :)


Jim

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Snit wrote:
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LOL

It is not about the amount of "money" that the comparative OS userbases
have available to be stolen, it is about the amount of "computing power"
that can be stolen from them. It is the computing power that is then
used to make the money.

It is a common trait of all types of malware, it's not only about what
else they do, but about them stealing your computing power to do it.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

FromTheRafters stated in post j3rtrt$cfm$1@dont-email.me on 9/2/11 5:54 PM:

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Sometimes that... sometimes money.  But reasonable response.

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