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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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Peter isn't very bright as you have surmised. He is actually a Windows
closed source software programmer but maintains he is not a Windows
user. Go figure. He also claims to be a world class C programmer and was
unaware that dereferencing a null point in C is a no go - not only that
but even given proof STILL tried to argue the toss. It's why he's so
aggressive. Being wrong all the time makes him belligerent as he
realises people are laughing at him. About the only person who reads his
rants is Creepy Chris Ahlstrom - but then he described "chrisv" from
COLA as "intelligent and insightful" and Rexx Ballard and 7 as geniuses.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Hadron wrote:
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Linux can stand on its own and doesn't need advocacy - especially if it
comes from people as clueless as this. It only proves the point of the
Linux userbase being polluted leading to more Windows-like experience
down the road as far as malware is concerned.

The first clue is when you argue with them they try to make it sound
like you are arguing against Linux when all you are really doing is
arguing against some stupid statement they made.

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Bingo! And statements don't get much more stupid than those from
Kohlkopf.


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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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I doubt it.
 
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Not bullshit.
 
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I think you missed the point here.
 
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Yep, you didn't get what I wrote at all.
 
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First,

I'm a professional malware researcher with long standing credentials in
the field.

Second,
When I said linux wasn't a money maker, I was talking about that from
the malware author benefits. Theres no money in 0wning linux boxes,
yet.


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Dustin wrote:

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And I am Santa Claus
When you are lying, please don't do it so obviously. You are insulting
people with such low-IQ lies

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You did not need to confirm that you are a blithering idiot. That fact was
already established
 

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U stupid kraut.  Do you know who you are talking too?  This is the
famous Dustin who has written malware for testing purposes.  He could
wreck your PC remotely if he wanted to!

DumbKrauf is your name.  Fitting.  Now get back to your factory
workstation and make some money for the Greeks.

VAMOS!

RL

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You know what I personally find most amusing? When you tell people the
truth, they really don't believe you. It's easier to convince a person
of a lie. Alright then,

Are you familiar with a product known as malwarebytes? :)



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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

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   Why would that matter? Linux runs on hardware that usually has an OEM
Windows license associated with it. So the argument of "poverty" is pretty
assinine actually.

   It's WinDOS that is the cheap freebie. That perception has helped drive
it's adoption since the System 6 days.

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On 09/04/2011 08:12 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
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I run Mint because Windows sucks and Mint works perfectly.

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Sneaky Weasel wrote:
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The best endorsement for Mint I've heard yet. I may have to try it.

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On 9/5/2011 4:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
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Myself,  the babble of a COLA lunatics like JEDIDIAH mean nothing. It's
the same old excuse, after excuse and after excuse.

If one is broke one is using Linux. If one is on entitlement handouts,
one is using Linux. :)



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    If you've got a PC running Linux, then you probably have a WinDOS license.

    The idea that people only run Linux "because it is cheap" is clearly absurd.
According to the likes of Hadron the Lemming, anything you can run on Linux can
be run on WinDOS. So there isn't even the "applications" aspect of the
situation.

    Clearly those that run Linux just want something that "sucks less".

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

JEDIDIAH stated in post slrnj6d486.tv1.jedi@nomad.mishnet on 9/6/11 2:30 PM:

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  Question:
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    What do you see as the main obstacles holding back the
    success of the Linux desktop?
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  Shuttleworth:
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    I think we don't yet deliver a good enough user experience. I
    think we deliver a user experience for people that have a
    reason to want to be on the Linux platform, either because of
    price or because of freedom. If that was your primary reason,
    Linux is the right answer.
    
    But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price,
    who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can
    say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And
    that's something we have to change, that's something I'm
    committed to work on, focusing increasing amounts of
    resources of Canonical on figuring out on how we actually
    move the desktop experience forward to compete with Mac OS X.
    -----

I agree more with Shuttleworth than I do with you.  The idea his comments
are "absurd" is rather silly - he clearly understands the open source
community very well.

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 06/09/2011 6:20 PM, Snit wrote:
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The crazies that "defend" or "advocate for" Linux.

Wolf K.

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Wolf K stated in post 37y9q.23497$9r4.5618@unlimited.newshosting.com on
9/6/11 4:35 PM:

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Yes: the false "advocate" FUD may be a pretty big deterrent to adoption.


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Snit wrote:
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I don't know if it is a deterrent, but it sure isn't good when the
forever clueless are there to help. :o)

While we've got the collection of groups we have right now, I would like
to ask just where we should draw the line between the operating system
and the user's choice programs we choose to run.

Windows users tend to think that everything that came with Windows
is "The Windows OS" while in the Linux world you choose your shell and
many other things or just use what came with the distro.

Malware exists largely within this "user's choice" area both in being
bad choices because they present exploitable vulnerabilities or simply
by being malware themselves. Attacks against applications aren't the
same as attacks against an OS. The choice of using managed repositories
and executable bits needing to be set before execution is possible is
not really "Linux" is it? I mean it's not part of the security of the OS
itself, and malware/viruses don't care anyway since they are mainly just
bad choices.

In Windows, is "Notepad" part of the OS? There are some administrative
"tools" that rely on it I think, but are those tools really part of the
OS if you're talking about the security of the OS?

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FromTheRafters stated in post j46gnp$ore$1@dont-email.me on 9/6/11 6:17 PM:

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Imagine if they are in the real world as they present themselves in COLA.
They would chase people away from Linux.  Lies do that.

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Not sure I follow.

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Many users do not really get the concept of what is the OS vs. apps or even
files and folders and the like.  To many, photos are "in" their image
organizer, word documents are "in" their word processor, etc.  Most OSs have
no stepping stones to help build these concepts.

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When I talk about Windows or Mint or OS X I *generally* mean the
environment.  That is far more important in terms of thinking of usage.

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Snit wrote:
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Well, the idea that Linux for instance is more secure because you get
your programs from a managed repository as source code files and compile
them yourself. The OS is not enforcing that behavior, so is that really
a valid point at all?

Would we really want a system where we can only run approved programs?
That seems to be the direction "Trusted Computing" wants to go - and to
me that is a turn away from general purpose computing's allowing the
freedom of users choice programs.
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That's true. That's what the GUI is supposed to do, make them think in a
more intuitive familiar physical manner rather than the actual truth of
the matter.

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Does that environment extend into the users themselves? I mean, Linux
used to be more secure because clueless users found it too difficult to
use and settled for Windows instead. IMO in this case it is not really
about Linux but about the class of users that are attracted to it. Same
goes for some practices that are associated with Linux but not actually
a part of Linux - like where you get new programs, it's user's choice
and not a function of the OS. This is one aspect of the Linux experience
but not really Linux itself.

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FromTheRafters stated in post j46k40$902$1@dont-email.me on 9/6/11 7:15 PM:

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You get *some* of your programs from there.  Even most.  But then you are
dependant on someone else's choices.

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/Ubuntu-stuff.mov

How would the general user figure that out?  How about before OpenOffice was
in the Ubuntu repository?  Here was comparing Ubuntu to Windows and OS X:

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Well, many people like their iOS devices.  I have an iPod which I like.

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For the desktop it would be limiting.... but on a mobile device it does not
bother me.  And it keeps iOS malware free.  I can see where others would
want something different, though.  I have no problem with that.

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But they do not even get the GUI metaphors in a lot of cases.

Apple's iLife and media browswer are designed to be useful to more advanced
users but also to be a stepping stone to understanding these "advanced"
concepts (yes, I know to COLA folks they are hardly advanced!)

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No.  It is the environment the users use!

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Well, different environments are better suited for different things and
different people.  No argument here.

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

FromTheRafters wrote:

yet, Another "Snit Circus" enabler...time to plonk


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