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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:53 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

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A market share of nearly 70% where it matters: servers and mobiles and
security by opennes, as in Open Source and (optionally) hardened by the
NSA.


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It still beats the crap out of browsers which

a) do not conform to standards (like IE)
b) are vulnerable to "drive-by-downloads"
c) has security updates about once or twice a year which (mostly) get
ignored by ignorant users.

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You can, but it's unwise.

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Sure it was. the OS should never allow you to run software from external
(i.e. untrusted) storage. One hurray for POSIX's proper access control!

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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What makes you think that Linux has a 70% marketshare in servers?  Got a
reference for that claim?? Last I read Windows Server has a higher server
marketshare than Linux.





Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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Linux has NO WHERE NEAR 70% of server share. The man is another
delusional COLA moron. Why these arses cant stick to the truth and argue
the Linux corner using facts and its own merits I will never know.

Maybe Rexx told him?

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 01/09/2011 14:16, Hadron wrote:
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Maybe he was looking at webservers.  Of course, it's difficult to be
sure how to count them - do you count websites, weight by traffic
numbers, count virtual servers, etc.?  Certainly it's easy to find solid
references showing Linux having 70%+ of the webserver market.

For "normal" servers, it's a different matter - I would expect Windows
server to have a higher market share.  Of course, it is even more
difficult to judge those numbers, since many Linux systems are installed
later rather than bought with the server.  And again you have the
questions of virtual machines - it's easier and cheaper to have lots of
Linux virtual machines on the same hardware than to have lots of Windows
virtual machines, so the relative shares will be different if you count
physical systems or virtual systems (and of course virtual systems can
be mixed too).  Personally, I'd say that Linux is a standard mainstream
choice for general purpose servers (unlike the desktop, where it is a
niche choice) - but I would not claim it leads the market share.

For high-end servers and mainframes, IBM System z dominates - running
either z/OS or Linux.  And for supercomputers, of course, Linux is
almost the only choice.  But these categories don't add up much in numbers.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote:

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I can't imagine why it wouldn't.  It comes with everything you need
for free, unlike piecing-together an (expensive) Windows server...


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 01/09/11 14:51, chrisv wrote:
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There are only two things Linux is missing before it covers the needs of
the majority of servers.  The sales and marketing muscle that Windows
server (and added software) can provide, and the profit for the server
and software sales people.  It's often hard for sales people (and their
employing company) to make much profit selling hardware - the margins
are very low.  But they can get good margins on the software and
support.  If they were to recommend zero-cost Linux software, they only
make money from the installation and support - and even that is much
less than with Windows server software since it is faster (your "yum
install postgresql-server" will be completed before the Windows guy has
got the cellophane wrap off the MSSQL Server box, never mind figured out
how many client access licenses you are going to need).

So suppliers prefer to sell Windows systems and commercial software.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote:
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Hard to make money from linux support when it doesn't really go wrong.

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As I said : you're a pea brain. Support is not just about things "going
wrong". The cost of Windows is next to nothing compared to annual salary
per operator/user etc. The cost of internal SOFTWARE development to
migrate from Windows to Linux can be and is HUGE.  In fact good Linux
specialists could, it can be argued, earn more since they are far less
prolific as qualified Windows admins and sw developers once a
company decides to move to "free" Linux.

You know, just shouting "linux is cheap and great" isn't advocacy. It
just makes you look like a clueless twit. Which is apt.



Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Hadron wrote:
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I am not posting from advocacy. I couldn't give a twopenny fuck about
advocating anything.

I was merely remarking on the fact that linux once set up needs very
little maintenance.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

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    ...which is pretty much irrelevant when Microsoft is changing programming
models. You simply don't have to migrate away from Windows to be in a position
to pay these costs.

    So all of that whining about "migration" has always been rather hollow.

    Any company not run by morons is already seeking to insulate itself from
platform changes regardless of where they are coming from.

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JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

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Is "Hadron" pushing Windows usage in Linux ngs agsin?

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I note that the troll clsims that windows usage is cheap.  Another
"Get The Facts" propagandidt, of courde.

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

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Of course he is.

"The cost is negligible."  "It's too expensive to switch."  "All the
best OSS runs on Windows."  Etc, etc.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

chrisv stated in post ok3c67993r4m9f1ei2kfmme78o6j3jmima@4ax.com on 9/6/11
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From the above it looks at though he is responding to false "advocacy" FUD.


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No it doesnt. There are oodles of proprietary windows only server
applictions developed over years for large companies. You do know what a
server is dont you? We realise you're a foul mouhted, MS hating
ignoramous but dont think your basement view covers that of the world's
businesses -  It doesnt. Yes, for "general" tasks such as file serving,
rdbms, mta etc etc it can be and is fine. But server do a LOT more than
this in real industry.

Your lack of knowledge of the real world is telling.



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   No, not really.

   That is primarily a "desktop" problem.

   It's the software for SMALL companies that's a problem. This is stuff
that is nearly desktop software despite being "server" software. The
serious stuff for "big companies" tend to run on more serious operating
systems.

   In this domain, sometimes even Unix isn't "serious enough".

   You're a really deluded little Lemming Hadron.

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Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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Maybe he was pulling numbers out of his backside which is normal
MO. "servers and mobiles".

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No its not. Walk into offices and companies and look. Most small to
midsize use Windows servers primarily because most of them use
exchange. Sad but true. Many people run Apache on Windows too - why I
dont know ;)

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You have a link for this? Certainly Linux servers running apache,
mysql/postgres, exim etc are very attractive and very good value. I use
them. But I dont make claims that 70% of business servers are linux
which was the cock and bull above. Sorry, but I detest these loonies and
their crazy figures and predictions of MS Doom. Google up "Roy
Schestowitz" and you will see.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

On 01/09/11 14:52, Hadron wrote:
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You've lost a little in the snipping.  I haven't claimed that 70% of
business servers are Linux - I claimed it is easy to find surveys saying
that something in the region of 70% of webservers are running Linux (or
that 70% of websites are running on Linux, which is not quite the same
thing).  Such surveys often break down by web server - but most
webservers other than IIS are running on Linux.

I agree with you about office servers - Windows probably has about 2 or
3 times the market share of Linux for such systems.


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

David Brown wrote:
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By definition, since its not 'sold' Linux per se has 0% 'market share'


Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware


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Only if you're a complete moron. Which you appear to be.

It's meaning is so insanely simple to understand in context even YOU
should know what it refers too.

Let me give you a little lesson in basic Math.

10 companies want to buy an OS.
MS sells a copy of win 7 to 9 of them. MS has 90% of the "market". 10%
is left. Apple or Linux can get in there...

See? It didn't strain your pea brain too much I hope. I realise you
might need to think outside of your little box a little but do
try. Thinking is SO important. Sticking your head in the sand and
whistling dixie is no way to go through son.

Re: Really 'dumb' question: why does Linux have viruses? linux virus, linux malware

Hadron wrote:
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Well no, they cant. They want to buy an OS. You cant BUY linux.

Ergo if they wanted to bu one, they wouldnt pick Linux would they>


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You really crack me up dude.

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