Re: US Teen (Author of BugShit) Arrested as 'Spybot Mastermind'

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:45:13 GMT, Dustin Cook

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That seems so flaming obvious that it amazes me that someone has to
remind the pseudo code snobs of it now and again. I say pseudo code
snobs, because it's really not snobbery... it's insecurity. On
occasion I write assembler. I have on occasions used ASIC, but I write
most things I code in plain old VB6... whatever accomplishes the end
result I want in the manner that I'd like it accomplished. Honestly,
if all you've got to do is critique my choice of language for my apps
(which work), you really need to get a job... or a hobby.... or both,
and put your energy towards something that might have some impact on
the life - that you need to get. :-)

Oh, back on subject of the thread, as far as I'm concerned, execute
the weasel. Botnets are responsible for most spam these days, and in
my not so humble opinion, all spammers should be removed from the gene
pool, sociopathic scum that they are.

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I agree; because I can cobble together code from snippets of just about any
language.  What ole QQQQ doesn't understand is that how or what you use to
make something isn't as important as how well it words.  In my case, I only
have to understand what the code does and I don't fill my brain with
re-inventing the wheel type stuff when there are code libraries out there
that are FREE for the taking.
    Shoot even speed of execution now days isn't near as important as it
once was what with multiple Ghz CPU's and the likes.  I dare say that a
million line basic code will run faster on today's machines then what a
thousand line ASM did on an old 286Hhz machine back in the day;)

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Sugien, 4Q is intentionally being an arse over the language fights. :) He
knows full well that it's really not that important.

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I'm not sure I agree with the idea of bloating code just because
equipment is faster now, tho....


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     I was only making an observation; because I surely wouldn't be
permoting the bloatation of code just because the hardware is faster.  I was
using an example to *try* and say that what with the speed of hardware
doubling ever 18 months or so it becomes less and less important *which*
language you use to create software.
     oan, I am becoming more and more distressed with the way software in
general is going.  What with web apps being the rage now days, the industry
seems to be wanting to not allow uses to *own* software.  In as much as
before web apps a user could own (linsence) an entire program for there hard
earned bucks.  Web apps on the other hand are only giving the user a GUI or
front end with the actual code remaining on the developers servers.  Along
with that even the language developers themselves are trying to take the
power out of the programmers hands.  VB dot NET for example is imnsho less
powerful then VB6, well in as much that dot net is in the forefront of
ushering in the era of the web app.
     Convergence being the hot button word now days, it might not be long
before even hardware is controlled by web apps.  The powers that be may be
trying to usher in the days where you don't have a *true* os; but only
enough on your machine to boot it up and log onto a server where the rest of
the os is then loaded.  I think this will come about if for no other reason
, then because as a way to attempt securing the os from virus and malware
and the likes.  In effect taking the temptation out of the hands of the user
to click on everything that comes down their pipe into there in box and
removing most all vectors of infection out of the hands of the user, by
having the majority of the os hosted off site on the os developers servers.
I am not even say that , that would be a bad thing; but it surely would be
taking the computing world down through a hither for unknown path.


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With conciseness of code being seen as very important to the
reputation and prestige of the old school virus/worm writers I find it
rather amusing that the one that caused me most grief (swen) was down
to it's rather large size filling up my mailbox allowance faster than
I could empty it. Of course, it wouldn't be a problem these days with
server side filtering which I didn't have at the time.


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I can see that applying to (very expensive) specialist software but
not to the mass market stuff.


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But you can use vb.net for ordinary programs if you want. They don't
have to be web apps.

I wouldn't call it upgrading, though, because the one time I tried
upgrading a vb6 program to vb.net, it added about 30% onto the running
time of what was already a slow conversion program.


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Perhaps to improve distribution functionality within corporate
intranets but not in the mass personal use market where everyone wants
there own customisation and specific hardware installed.


Jim.


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I thing when someone goes from VB6 to dot net they are in fact
*downgrading*, and I likewise gave up on converting my software to VBnet;
because it also lacks the same power when integrating activeX controls. and
the likes.  Dang VB5 even came with a test CERT; but after M$ found out that
people were using it outside on the web and such instead of a in-house tool
to test before getting a real CERT for it.  VBnet also makes it more
difficult to use macromedia flash to design the GUI's or to even use flash
animation on a form.

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   I think the public could be *forced* to change in-mass to such a system;
because it is the developers that *dictate* what the public uses.  If
developers agreed to only develop and sell such a system the public would
have no choice except to agree. Well that is unless they were to wake up and
get off their VR buts and LEARN how to create their own OS.  Just think
about it, most all users being able to program their own.  That however is
not going to happen; because 99.999% of users are quite happy to know *only*
what they need to know and have no interest nor desire to learn about their
systems.


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If spammers aren't careful they may just be cutting off their noses to spite
their face; because they may force the countries of the world to start
enforcing some sort of an internet spam law.  Or worse yet make everyone
that uses the internet to have an ID number in short taking ALL anonymity
out of the picture.


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Dustin Cook wrote:
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You don't understand it's not a debate.

It's comedy. And you're the brunt of the joke. If you were adult, you'd
take it with good humor. Unfortunately, there's all too much truth in
what is written about you, so you go off like a confused and angry teen.

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4Q wrote:
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Y'know, Dustin would make a fine cartoon.

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<snicker>

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That had me howling.

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I had to reread the emails. Made me laugh.

While I was in Texas, he sent me a really weird email containing a post
he wanted me to make on his behalf (in reply to one of mine, I think).
Either Google or his nntp server was down, and he couldn't post. I
ignored the email, so I suppose when he figured he was dead in the bozo
bin, he felt it was necessary to engage an intermediary to intercede
with me.

Anyway, his story to the intermediary was that "someone" at the LAN
party made the alt.sex post, and in accordance with the party rules,
that "someone" was fined $300 for doing so. (This totally ignores the
fact that the alleged poster was using one of Dustin's email addresses
to post information only Dustin possessed.) According to what Dustin
told the intermediary, he was willing to "send some of the fine money to
[me] if [I'd] like."

I declined the offer. I didn't want his money, and I'd already been in
contact with the FBI. What Dustin still fails to comprehend is that he
endangered both my young adult daughter and my 99-year old grandmother
when he made that post. Not only was I concerned for their safety in my
absence, I was also concerned about the precarious legal position he put
me in: If one has knowledge of a crime that may be committed and fails
to report it and the crime subsequently occurs, one can be prosecuted
right along with the perpetrator.

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Dustin Cook wrote:

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You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.

Try answering the question he asked.

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@mid.individual.net:

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I did, dumbass. I said he read it wrong. As you did when you thought I
asked evul for a picture of you.

 



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Dustin Cook wrote:
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I didn't think you asked evul for a picture of me. evul asked you if you
had a picture, and you said no. The truth is that you may not have a
picture now, but you did have a picture, and that's what I wrote.

Are you losing it, Dustin?

And does evul know you posted that chat?

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@mid.individual.net:

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Yes, in fact he does.
 



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Dustin Cook wrote:
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I'm not sure I believe you, Dustin.

But please be sure to let him know that Don Clark was an innocent
bystander who had absolutely nothing to do with usenet.

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@mid.individual.net:

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You could always take Daito up on the invite and ask him yourself on irc.
You don't have to believe me, I don't have any reason to lie about it. He's
aware of the fact I posted a section of the logfile to usenet, Yes.
 
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He reads usenet.

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Dustin Cook wrote:
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I have no interest in irc.

But I still don't believe you.

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What a way to waste some time, eh? I only had time this weekend because
I'm too sick to do anything else, but too well just to sleep all the way
through.

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@news.datemas.de:

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Suit yourself.
 
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usenet isn't a total waste of time. Sure, these flamewars are.. But,
usenet is still useful to me. And obviously yourself. If nothing more
than cheap entertainment. Eh?


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@mid.individual.net:

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*yawn* Substance, can you produce any substance?


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Dustin Cook wrote:
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Can you stay on topic?

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Rhonda Lea Kirk - 01.12.2007 21:10 :

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you are right: Please to all the thread-posters: Please "stay on topic"
FREEWARE! And please watch your quotings. Thanks to all in advance.

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