Re: Has 4Q proven anything by complaining about Dustin?

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
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Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.

I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.


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That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
troll.



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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:

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Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.

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Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
on to guys like RAiD.



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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:27:45 -0500, optikl wrote:

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I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything from
you about David, sorry if you took it that way.

I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since the
late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be questioned
by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical and Government
installations. I would say that while I don't know a significant amount
about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the reformed person seems
warrant a second chance.

As a side note, David is also held in higest regard by myself.

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Let's think about this for a moment. My last virus was written 7 years
ago. Then nothing, no code released for years. In 2005, BugHunter was
released to the public. In two years time, nobody has been able to find
anything untoward in the software, despite various rumours to the
contrary.

Some of you just need to grow up, get over the fact you are wrong about
me, and accept the fact you were wrong then, and are wrong now about me.

Either defend your remarks such as sociapath, etc, or just... give it a
rest already.

You cannot logically hold something against me that I did years ago, and
have since stopped doing!


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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
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I'd be willing to state a months worth of pay that your definatly
mistaken when it comes to me. While I find your devils advocate comments
towards me somewhat amusing, you don't by any stretch of the imagination
know me. Why even pretend that you do?


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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
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You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
accounts, nothing more, nothing less. If I had assisted him in his
request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...

You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.


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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
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Dustin Cook wrote:
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not vx? that would be like saying i'm not av... just because someone is
willing to tear his peers a new one doesn't mean he doesn't hold the
same ideals as they do... who is it, after all, that's trying to get the
band back together (in a manner of speaking)?

plus, why would a non-vx'er have been given the rights to boot people
from #virus?

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

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@registered.motzarella.org:

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4Q isn't vx nor is he av, and I'm doubtful he'd claim otherwise. He's
more of an outside commentator, peeking in and giving his 2 cents about
what he sees.

You do not have to be a vxer to get ops in #virus; You just have to be
friends with someone who is already an op. Did you think #virus was
really strict? Years ago, I remember it was, but that was a long time
ago.

While I have no problem with being torn a new one, it wouldn't hurt to
use factual information when doing so. I see no reason to mislead people,
as 4Q has been doing and continues to do.

Apparently, he's targetting David Lipman now... *shrug*
 

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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
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Dustin Cook wrote:
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sorry, i've seen too much of him over the years and seen him too
embedded in the clique at the center of the vx to accept the notion that
he's just peeking in...

perhaps we're using vx to mean different things - i'm not talking about
virus coders specifically, although the clique was composed mostly of
those, but rather those who are pro-virus-exchange... 4q has been pretty
unambiguous in the past about the connection he sees between computer
viruses and his main interest in artificial life...

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years ago is when i was talking about... and his words/actions were
towards the benefit of the vx community...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

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Leythos wrote:
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well, duh... you don't really think someone who is proud to call
themselves a troll would really be interested in the truth, do you?

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

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In all fairness to the sorry weasel, He doesn't specialize in outright
lies. He does intentionally mislead persons by quoting things out of
context and obviously showing a sided viewpoint.

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Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk



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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:30:21 -0700, 4Q wrote:
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I think you are clearly off your rocker. While I'm willing to give him a
second chance and see how he does, I could not say that he's a "Friend" in
the sense of a "Friend". Now, don't take that wrong, most people that are
in communications in Usenet are not friends, few become friends, they just
learn about each other enough to trust via electronic means.

So, until you show me that he's created something malicious in the last
couple years, with 100% certain proof that he created it, you would do
better to just keep your mouth quiet - you're only making yourself look
like some radical zealot, childish, and have lost any hope of bringing
people to your point of view.


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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:43:57 -0700, 4Q wrote:
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LOL - I see that you fit with the company of Pirates.
 
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If I was David I would never answer it, as you're not worth the time to
reply to such BS.

If I believed in KF you would be the first person I've really considered
putting in a KF.

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Devil's advocate huh? :)

I just don't know what to think of you these days man...


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Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken advantage
of might be clueless.



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optikl wrote:
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those are sentiments i would share, but for the fact that i also know
when to let sleeping dogs lie...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

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And I will be the 1st to admit I couldn't care less about disturbing a dog's
rest.



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And I will be the 1st to admit I couldn't care less about disturbing a dog's
rest.




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