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OK, I'm all set on my antivirus program that I will be installing in May,
but rather than renew my Norton Firewall, I wondered if there are any
recommendations for a "free" firewall that is easy to use or just as
effective and doesn't interrupt me every other minute to make a decision as
to allow or not allow.... I use my PC just for pleasure, .... email and
researching questions that might pop up during the normal course of a
day..... I believe ZoneAlarm Firewall is a pretty good one... I had it years
ago and the only negative thing that I remember about it was that when I
decided to go another way, I had a real problem removing it from my hard
drive.  Any suggestions will be greatly appreciate.....TIA
..... Violet



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Vi wrote:

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I can make a few suggestions, as I test software firewalls on a regular
basis, so have used just about everything that is out there.  There are
several good free firewalls, but unless you just want a packet filter
with no application control, you have to resolve yourself to the fact
that you are going to go through the "prompt" stage with any new
firewall.  In that instance, the easiest thing to do is, after
installing the firewall, use every program that you're going to use to
access the Internet and let the firewall prompt you.  Then, you
shouldn't have to deal with any more popups unless something out of the
ordinary happens.

Secondly, what kind of firewall are you looking for?  Are you more
concerned about inbound protection than outbound, or vice versa?  There
are some firewalls that are mainly for application control, but don't
allow you to make specific rules regarding inbound connections.  If you
are mainly concerned about outbound control (application based) and
don't want to bother creating any rules (which you shouldn't do unless
you really know what you're doing), then any of the following would
suffice:

Ashampoo firewall
Kerio firewall (also is good packet filter)
Zone Alarm (I would use an earlier version, which are still available)
Sygate (older version 5.5 or 5.6 - would recommend 5.55710)

If you are more concerned about inbound protection (packet filter) and
are comfortable making rules, there is:

Ghostwall (must be knowledgeable about networking/rule making)
Kerio 2.1.5 (must really know what you're doing - rules based)
Kerio Firewall (with use of packet filter)
OutPost free
PC Tools Firewall

I feel the easiest to use is the version 4 of Kerio firewall.  If you
don't use the behavior blocking option, once it prompts you for all
your apps it really never bothers you again.  You also have the option
of adding addition rules, but that is not necessary.  You can also
install it in simple mode so it doesn't prompt you at all.  I would
have recommended Comodo, but I think it would be way too noisy for you,
especially with all its features enabled.  I interested, I would
suggest downloading Kerio 4.2.2 from filehippo.com.  The firewall has
really become bloated since Sunbelt took it over.  Version 4.2.2 and
before are must less resource-intensive.  Version 4.2.2 runs around
14MB while the newest Sunbelt version ran anywhere from 40-100MB on my
system.  Hope this helps.


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If one is using a router already, and NOD32, which would you
recommend?

I'm running Windows XP Pro, SP2 and I tried Comodo.  For
some unknown reason it made mincemeat of my Outlook file and
messed up WinFax Pro as well.  Fortunately I was able to
restore from a backup image.

Louise

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'louise' wrote:
| If one is using a router already, and NOD32, which would you
| recommend?
|
| I'm running Windows XP Pro, SP2 and I tried Comodo.  For
| some unknown reason it made mincemeat of my Outlook file and
| messed up WinFax Pro as well.  Fortunately I was able to
| restore from a backup image.
_____

If your router has NAT, you could just go with that for inbound protection.
The router will make your computer 'invisible' to the net.

A few no-cost programs like Spyware Search&Destroy, Ad-Aware Personal SE,
and Super Anti-Spyware should be all you need as long as you keep your
malware definitions up-to-date and your operating system and application
security patches up-to-date.  And, as always, pay attention to what you do
on the web.

You may have already noticed that, if your router has NAT, that your present
software firewall never alerts on any incoming attacks; if you look at the
logs in your router, you may see over 100 attacks per hour, attacks that are
blocked, and that your software firewall never sees.

Outbound firewall protection is not really necessary if
    a.  only you have administrative level access to your system and only
you install programs
    b.  you are careful to avoid too-good-to-be-true 'free' applications you
download and install from the web
    c.  you make use of the anti-malware applications listed above.

Phil Weldon

| Bullseye wrote:
| > Vi wrote:
| >
| >> OK, I'm all set on my antivirus program that I will be installing in
| >> May, but rather than renew my Norton Firewall, I wondered if there
| >> are any recommendations for a "free" firewall that is easy to use or
| >> just as effective and doesn't interrupt me every other minute to make
| >> a decision as to allow or not allow.... I use my PC just for
| >> pleasure, .... email and researching questions that might pop up
| >> during the normal course of a day..... I believe ZoneAlarm Firewall
| >> is a pretty good one... I had it years ago and the only negative
| >> thing that I remember about it was that when I decided to go another
| >> way, I had a real problem removing it from my hard drive.  Any
| >> suggestions will be greatly appreciate.....TIA ..... Violet
| >
| > I can make a few suggestions, as I test software firewalls on a regular
| > basis, so have used just about everything that is out there.  There are
| > several good free firewalls, but unless you just want a packet filter
| > with no application control, you have to resolve yourself to the fact
| > that you are going to go through the "prompt" stage with any new
| > firewall.  In that instance, the easiest thing to do is, after
| > installing the firewall, use every program that you're going to use to
| > access the Internet and let the firewall prompt you.  Then, you
| > shouldn't have to deal with any more popups unless something out of the
| > ordinary happens.
| >
| > Secondly, what kind of firewall are you looking for?  Are you more
| > concerned about inbound protection than outbound, or vice versa?  There
| > are some firewalls that are mainly for application control, but don't
| > allow you to make specific rules regarding inbound connections.  If you
| > are mainly concerned about outbound control (application based) and
| > don't want to bother creating any rules (which you shouldn't do unless
| > you really know what you're doing), then any of the following would
| > suffice:
| >
| > Ashampoo firewall
| > Kerio firewall (also is good packet filter)
| > Zone Alarm (I would use an earlier version, which are still available)
| > Sygate (older version 5.5 or 5.6 - would recommend 5.55710)
| >
| > If you are more concerned about inbound protection (packet filter) and
| > are comfortable making rules, there is:
| >
| > Ghostwall (must be knowledgeable about networking/rule making)
| > Kerio 2.1.5 (must really know what you're doing - rules based)
| > Kerio Firewall (with use of packet filter)
| > OutPost free
| > PC Tools Firewall
| >
| > I feel the easiest to use is the version 4 of Kerio firewall.  If you
| > don't use the behavior blocking option, once it prompts you for all
| > your apps it really never bothers you again.  You also have the option
| > of adding addition rules, but that is not necessary.  You can also
| > install it in simple mode so it doesn't prompt you at all.  I would
| > have recommended Comodo, but I think it would be way too noisy for you,
| > especially with all its features enabled.  I interested, I would
| > suggest downloading Kerio 4.2.2 from filehippo.com.  The firewall has
| > really become bloated since Sunbelt took it over.  Version 4.2.2 and
| > before are must less resource-intensive.  Version 4.2.2 runs around
| > 14MB while the newest Sunbelt version ran anywhere from 40-100MB on my
| > system.  Hope this helps.
| >
| >
| If one is using a router already, and NOD32, which would you
| recommend?
|
| I'm running Windows XP Pro, SP2 and I tried Comodo.  For
| some unknown reason it made mincemeat of my Outlook file and
| messed up WinFax Pro as well.  Fortunately I was able to
| restore from a backup image.
|
| Louise



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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:10:55 -0400, louise wrote:

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If you are comfortable with making rules (or learning how to do it), Kerio
2.1.5 is very effective outbound protection and uses minimal system
resources.  The default rules Kerio institutes when you install it would
probably be sufficient with a router.  There is also a lot of tutorial
material on the firewall available online.  Zone Alarm would also be fine
with a router, but it is MUCH heavier resource-wise.  The newer versions of
Kerio have other features, such as behavior blocking, but I don't use it
simply because it is also somewhat heavy on resources.  The free Asphampoo
firewall is basically application-based, but allows no flexibility in
making rules.  I think if you were to try Kerio 2.1.5 you would like it,
and it wouldn't add any load to your resources.  The version is still
available from a couple of sources.  I downloaded my version from:

http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page7.html

The best rules tutorial (which includes downloadable rules sets) for Kerio
2.1.5 is:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13064195

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I'm currently evaluating the v7.0.337.000 ZoneAlarm freeware
and haven't bumped into any negatives yet.
The usual tests, pcflank, ShieldsUp etc. all come out encouraging.
I'm not using either its internal email nor AV scan features,
so maybe that's where the resource load you mention comes from.

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How many MB does ZA free use on your system according to task manager?
Just curious.  The freeware version isn't nearly as heavy as ZA Pro with
all the bells and whistles, for sure.  However, I know that Kerio 2.1.5
usually ran around 3-5 MB max on my computer.  The different between it and
ZA Free is not a big deal if you have a massive amount of memory.  The one
thing that always bothered me about ZA, though, is that the computer took
forever to boot up, even with the older versions.  According to what I read
at Wilders, Castlecops forums, etc, that seems pretty standard.  ZA is
still a good firewall, but I prefer creating my own rules, so ZA free is no
longer an option for me.

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3.696 according to Task Manager, 3.61 according to FaberToys

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512Mb


I've gone back and forth between a ghost with/without ZA
and the boot up seems similar, then again it's not loading some of the
bloated 'features' that the Pro version offers. I remember back when I
had a legacy ZAP and never used those extras then either.

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I think Sygate does that and my long ago ATguard used to.

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I've gutted this system down to where I really don't need any FW,
no MSIE etc. and I don't host an FTP or P2P and am not a gamer.

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Thanks to ALL of you with your recommendations.. Since I first posted, I
have removed the Norton Firewall that came with my PC and am going only with
the Windows Firewall that came with my computer  (windows XP)  It may be
that since I don't have that much on my PC that could do me in, (or at
least, I hope can't) that that may be enough.  I don't have enough
experience to be setting rules.  That is what got me in trouble with McAfee
when I had that, compliments of Comcast's free offer to its customers.  I
went nuts with all the interruptions, allow do not allow,... etc.  And
things are downloading a lot faster since I removed Norton's firewall also.
I am used to Norton Antivirus program, so much more than McAfee. so I will
stay with that, at least for this year since I have bought the disk on
line..... but then again, that is just me....  I still can consider your
suggestions for a firewall since until I do, I have the Windows Firewall
enabled..  I really need to take a course in this stuff.... I must be
driving you nuts with my lack of expertise.... If so, I apologize... thanks
again everyone.
..... Vi



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 Thanks to ALL of you with your recommendations.. Since I first posted,
I
 have removed the Norton Firewall that came with my PC and am going only
with  the Windows Firewall that came with my computer  (windows XP)  It
may be that since I don't have that much on my PC that could do me in,
(or at least, I hope can't) that that may be enough.  I don't have
enough experience to be setting rules.  That is what got me in trouble
with McAfee  when I had that, compliments of Comcast's free offer to its
customers.  I went nuts with all the interruptions, allow do not
allow,... etc.  And  things are downloading a lot faster since I removed
Norton's firewall also.
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Hi Vi.....

No, you are not *driving people nuts* on here.  If more people asked
basic questions, they would not get themselves into messes.  (G)

FWIW......I run XP Home with just the XP Firewall.  I have Zone Alarm on
here, but not using it.  Likewise with a wireless router.  The reason
for that is because I tested all 3 and combinations thereof at Steve
Gibson's site and other than the fact that ZA stops outgoing malware,
they are each as good as the other at stopping incoming.

However, IMHO Norton is a POC!!  My ISP offers both it and their
firewall and I wouldn't touch either with a 200 foot pole!!  (VBG)

Heather

Steve's site is www.grc.com and go to Shields Up.



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"Heather" wrote:

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Q. What's that steering wheel doing in your trousers?
A. It's driving me nuts.

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Proof of concept?
Perhaps you meant POS.



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ROFL!!  You are *full of beans* today!!  (NO, don't even go there, grin)
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No, I looked at it and I had meant to say POS......but figured PO...Cr*p
would do.  My version of that acronym.

Cheers......Heather
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I took it to mean what you meant <g>..... and thanks for making me feel
better about my questions and also the fact that my Windows Firewall seems
to be doing a fine job since I enabled it after removing the Norton
Firewall.  As for Norton's AntiVirus.... maybe it's because I'm used to it
and all I have to do is just  turn it on and it seems to do it's job without
bothering me.  I have the automatic updates enabled  and I program the
weekly or semi weekly scans and that is all I am involved in.  I was going
to try out one of the suggestions made , especially the free software
because Norton is pricey but I found Norton 2007 antivirus for $19.95 on
line and figure I will stay with it since so far, it is doing OK.... If it
messes up, I will definitely try one of the ones mentioned earlier.  Some of
the ones that were suggested however just seemed too much for someone like
me, and the way I use my computer....   By the way, what I happen to think
is a POC or a POS is McAfee.
..... thanks again..... Vi (Violet to Heather).



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You got that one right!!!!  A friend of mine bought a Dell laptop and
the first thing I said to her was DO NOT USE THAT ***** McAFEE!!  Even
unused, it took her a while to get it off her machine.

I happily use EZ Trust from CA and I understand AVG and Avast are
supposed to be good, but I have used this one since Ant was a pup (eons,
in other words, evil grin).  It was a freebie back then too (InoculateIT
PE).

I just make sure I do NOT have it check incoming mail.  What a pain that
is.  You don't need to if you use *safe hex* and for instance, direct
all attachment emails to their separate folder.

Cheers Vi.......Heather (and Norton is not the best at catching all
viruses, btw).



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'Heather' wrote, in part:
| I just make sure I do NOT have it check incoming mail.  What a pain that
| is.  You don't need to if you use *safe hex* and for instance, direct
| all attachment emails to their separate folder.
_____

Many ISPs are now scanning incoming and outgoing email for infections, out
of self defense.  I haven't had an infected email in more than a year,
whereas in the time of 'Swen' a few years ago I received a peak of 2000
infected emails per day to a single email address (same ISP.)  Check to make
sure your ISP is doing the same; it is the best of all first line of
defense, and very cost effective for the ISP as it can greatly reduce
bandwidth costs.

My second line of defense is 'Magic Mail Monitor', a pop3 mail inspector
that downloads just email headers, allowing me to delete spam and suspicious
email directly from the pop3 server or to view such in text only mode.
Filters can be set up for 'Magic Mail Monitor', but I really don't find that
necessary.  'Magic Mail Monitor' is free.

Phil Weldon

|
| >
| > Mariner or Englishman or some such....
|
| >> No, I looked at it and I had meant to say POS......but figured
| >> PO...Cr*p would do.  My version of that acronym.
| >>
| >> Cheers......Heather
| >
| > I took it to mean what you meant <g>..... and thanks for making me
| > feel better about my questions and also the fact that my Windows
| > Firewall seems to be doing a fine job since I enabled it after
| > removing the Norton Firewall.  As for Norton's AntiVirus.... maybe
| > it's because I'm used to it and all I have to do is just  turn it on
| > and it seems to do it's job without bothering me.  I have the
| > automatic updates enabled  and I program the weekly or semi weekly
| > scans and that is all I am involved in.  I was going to try out one of
| > the suggestions made , especially the free software because Norton is
| > pricey but I found Norton 2007 antivirus for $19.95 on line and figure
| > I will stay with it since so far, it is doing OK.... If it messes up,
| > I will definitely try one of the ones mentioned earlier.  Some of the
| > ones that were suggested however just seemed too much for someone like
| > me, and the way I use my computer....   By the way, what I happen to
| > think is a POC or a POS is McAfee.
| > ..... thanks again..... Vi (Violet to Heather).
|
| You got that one right!!!!  A friend of mine bought a Dell laptop and
| the first thing I said to her was DO NOT USE THAT ***** McAFEE!!  Even
| unused, it took her a while to get it off her machine.
|
| I happily use EZ Trust from CA and I understand AVG and Avast are
| supposed to be good, but I have used this one since Ant was a pup (eons,
| in other words, evil grin).  It was a freebie back then too (InoculateIT
| PE).
|
| I just make sure I do NOT have it check incoming mail.  What a pain that
| is.  You don't need to if you use *safe hex* and for instance, direct
| all attachment emails to their separate folder.
|
| Cheers Vi.......Heather (and Norton is not the best at catching all
| viruses, btw).
|
|



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Yes, they filter out both spam and viruses......what a change after 100
spam emails/day.  They also offer Norton (ptui) AV and Firewall for
free.  No thanks.

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I used Mailwasher for eons.  In fact it is still on here.  But I don't
need it now with all the good stuff Rogers is offering.  They hooked up
with Yahoo, but I don't want a lot of the *newbie extras* that they
offer.  They even have something called *Safe Healing* which I tried for
a bit, but it really is nothing spectacular.  The less of those mickey
mouse proggies on here, the better, LOL.

Thanks Phil......Heather



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'Heather' wrote, in part:
| Yes, they filter out both spam and viruses......what a change after 100
| spam emails/day.  They also offer Norton (ptui) AV and Firewall for
| free.  No thanks.
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I find Norton AntiVirus obtrusive, but I've been using it since 1991.  Tried
a few others, but the devil you know ...  And none of the systems for which
I've been responsible since then (using NAV) have ever been infected.

I've actually LOOKED at the CPU and memory footprint of NAV (unlike many
posters here) and don't find it out of line with the task performed nor more
than a very minor use of system resources.  On MacAfee I agree, it is a
obtrusive, slow, and difficult to remove.  As for Norton Firewall, it just
isn't worth the trouble, and isn't really necessary for my usages.

Phil Weldon

|
| > 'Heather' wrote, in part:
| > | I just make sure I do NOT have it check incoming mail.  What a pain
| > that
| > | is.  You don't need to if you use *safe hex* and for instance,
| > direct
| > | all attachment emails to their separate folder.
| > _____
| >
| > Many ISPs are now scanning incoming and outgoing email for infections,
| > out
| > of self defense.  I haven't had an infected email in more than a year,
| > whereas in the time of 'Swen' a few years ago I received a peak of
| > 2000  infected emails per day to a single email address (same ISP.)
| > Check to make sure your ISP is doing the same;  <<<<
|
| Yes, they filter out both spam and viruses......what a change after 100
| spam emails/day.  They also offer Norton (ptui) AV and Firewall for
| free.  No thanks.
|
| > My second line of defense is 'Magic Mail Monitor', a pop3 mail
| > inspector that downloads just email headers, allowing me to delete
| > spam and suspicious email directly from the pop3 server or to view
| > such in text only mode. <<<<
|
| I used Mailwasher for eons.  In fact it is still on here.  But I don't
| need it now with all the good stuff Rogers is offering.  They hooked up
| with Yahoo, but I don't want a lot of the *newbie extras* that they
| offer.  They even have something called *Safe Healing* which I tried for
| a bit, but it really is nothing spectacular.  The less of those mickey
| mouse proggies on here, the better, LOL.
|
| Thanks Phil......Heather
|
|



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I still use it Heather and really like it,  that and NOD32 and I know
people are always saying to turn off email scanning but I haven't and have
no problems with it. I also have ZAPro on here and keep wondering about
getting rid and just using Windows Firewall <g>
Joan

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Shhhhh.....don't let Mikey hear you still have ZAPro on there, lol.  It
was him that told me to just run with XP firewall unless I was hitting
some dicey sites.  I just have EZ Trust with no email checking and the
XP firewall and the requisite spyware proggies.  I might put an upgraded
ZAPro back on for a bit.

I never did get my DLink Wireless Router set up properly.  Their tech
support is ludicrous and the damned box is designed to drive women MAD!!
I only put it on here when Elayne comes for a visit with her Mac laptop
so she can play games downstairs.  (another Pogo addict)

Cheers....Figgs
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<lol> I wont tell him if you don't <g>
I know what you mean about routers, mines not too bad just the instruction
book which is 64 pages long and tells you all the things you can do but
not how to do them or why <g>
Joan


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