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4ax.com:

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Speaking of credibilty.. I have that as a current Malware Researcher for
malwarebytes (almost 2.5 years now); a certified tech, as well as a former
virus writer; well known, well published...

What are your creditials in this field, sir?


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Re: Queries about Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition and Client Firewall

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:04:50 GMT, Dustin Cook

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None. Absolutely none. I never claimed to be an AV expert myself nor
did I claim to have private forum / closed test data that refuted the
leading AV testing sources. Like David Lipman has ..but refuses to
post his 'data.'  Evidently it's secret ...ya think sweet thang?

My posts cited public domain certified AV product test, detection
scores and respective rankings sites.  

SUCH AS: AV Comparatives

http://www.av-comparatives.org/ <- crowns Symantec security products
BEST of 2009 (Gold Award) beating out ALL others including eSet
(NOD32)  and Kaspersky. This annual Gold Award is  now prominently
displayed on their homepage.

- in-depth test results and summaries here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/main-tests/summary-reports

That's the beauty you see..no one needs to be a PC security expert
(like David Lipman claims to be - except it's "all secret!")

 All that ANYONE needs  to be able to do is READ the test results,
verify the sources and draw the logical conclusions. There are many AV
products that are ICSA certified that give adequate security.
Sometimes it is just a matter of installing the trial versions and
making a selection among certified vendors that suits your personal
needs and tastes.

So to summarize - NO...I AM NOT an AV expert. Never claimed to be!

No one needs to be an 'Expert to make a smart decision. Select from
certified vendors listed on highly respected sites and you'll be
adequately secure.

It just happens that for 2009 Norton products were selected TOP of
2009. I like and use Norton so I posted the relevant links. Your issue
needs to be taken up with AV-Comparatives, ICSA, Virus Bulletin and
the like who all score the 2009/2010 line from Norton to be certified
and exceptional. If I'm pissing in your Cheerios - tuff.



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I can attest to Davids claims as being true. Secret is relative. Much of
the information isn't intended for public distribution but the fact the
groups exist isn't a secret. Atleast, not one I knew of. One of the
reasons for the strict non public access is simple in nature; We don't
want users accidently getting themselves into trouble simply because they
might be curious.

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AV Comparatives (Cripes, I can't believe your forcing this out of me,
but.. credit is due where credit is due) has been discredited beyond
repair by that of Nick Fitzgerald; Another AV expert...The individuals
responsible for the site proved to many of us here several years ago that
they lack the skillset required to conduct the testing in the first
place. If you really wish to read the gruesome thrashing; I will allow
you to go digging thru usenet. I don't have that much free time. :)
 
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Funny you should mention the nobody needs to be this or that aspect. I
know many people who know a little about electricity, but still tend to
burn something up when they think they know more than they actually do.
*grin*. Sadly this is the same case with security. If you don't know it,
and you aren't an expert, you are likely going to miss something we
wouldn't.

For example, one of the sources you site is.. a very bad source;
pcmagazine weighs a little higher; and thats just above 0 :)
 
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Reading and comprehending it aren't the same thing. I wish that was the
case, life would certainly be easier and arguments probably would be much
less frequent.

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ICSA allows a vendor to resubmit (and provides copies of the missed
samples) until they do get it right. Do you understand sir? You can be a
really lousy product and still score an ICSA award.
 
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Several of us are tho. You do like facts, right? :)
 
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One's computer/network security isn't a decision which should be taken
lightly, nor one that isn't based with all available facts available.
 
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By no means are you pissing in my Cheerios. Norton gave us a sales boost
in 2009 when they recommended the companies product I work for. Some,
program they got huh? :)


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Re: Queries about Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition and Client Firewall

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:38:00 GMT, Dustin Cook

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Wow!!  Thanks a million for such a humanitarian gesture. The world is a
safer place because of your knowledge that just happens to have no
public access! How could it be? This is rich...

I now 100% reverse myself on David's credibility since yet another
single, lone  individual, who also cannot prove his credibility,
endorses him.  Are you guys Masons or what?  Have you got a secret
handshake too?
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No free time to substantiate your claims? How convenient. Ok
class..what's wrong with THIS picture?
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Gee whiz. It is just a real dam shame that all this data that could
prevent people from 'going amiss' cannot be made public in an AV
newsgroup. 99% of internet users have no idea where to start to get a
newsfeed. Your SECRETS are safe here!

Don't break your arm. So YOU are validating YOURSELF that YOU are an AV
authority based on what YOU tell us?
Well I know that sure convinces me! Anyone else feel convinced too?
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Again more unsubstantiated claims we are supposed to accept on YOUR
say-so? Well, that's good enough for me!
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Yes sir I have known that for a good many years. But your conclusion
that the ICSA resubmission allows a lousy product to pass is patently
false.  What it does is promote development of better AV products THUS
precluding a 'lousy' product from passing. Do you understand sir?
Moreover sir, many AV products do not pass ever during a testing cycle.
If it was so easy to pass  how can that be?  

Yeah I'm gonna pay attention to a self-annointed AV expert that uses
that kind of logic.
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Facts that can be PROVEN and VERIFIED. Your words of self exaltation are
100% meaningless without some way to validate and substantiate them.
Do you understand sir?  
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As an AV expert (without credentials) I am sure you already know that
ICSA uses the VB in the wild test scores as part of ICSA certification.

So since you claim AV comparatives is crooked and VB uses poor
methodolgy it follows suit that ICSA certification is also worthless.
That is it follows based on your assertions alone (without proof)

Gee... the world be shocked to learn this once you and your friends
release all the secret data.  I can't wait.  Thank god I bumped into
you!!!



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My knowledge? You make me laugh. Hysterically even. :) You have real..
odd issues man.. I just dunno about you.
 
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Umm, I just said *you* can find the posts via the archives; I am not
going to waste the time. I was here when he posted them. Alot of people
were, actually. So, sadly for you, it's not a claim. :)

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Huh?
 
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Oh, no.. I wouldn't expect you to take me at face value. That would be
pretty assinine on my part, wouldn't it? I was actually expecting you to
check me out for yourself. You probably should...*shrug*. This isn't even
remotely close to fair, so I won't fire this turn. <G>

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See above...


See above. Re-read the entire post please. I only stated facts, not any
opinions to you, Sir. :)

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without? hehehe, sorry; no.. I'm afraid not. I have credentials, as a
former Vxer; and a current malware researcher for Malware Bytes. Aside
from developing my own program known as BugHunter, that is.. :)

I have more... examples, if you need em. But seriously; this is all
public knowledge. really. I wouldn't try to troll you.



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"Is there anything in Guul Draz that doesn't suck the life out of you?"
 - Tarsa, Sea Gate sell-sword.


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He is who he says he is, you can take my word for it. :o)



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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:26:28 -0500, FromTheRafters wrote:

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OK,
I took your word,
now what am I supposed to do with it?
Trash pickup isn't for a couple more days.

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I suppose if I worked for something like best buy, I'd be jealous too. :)

I tell ya what, if I need a cell phone or something, I'll ask you about the
contracts you have available.


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"Is there anything in Guul Draz that doesn't suck the life out of you?"
 - Tarsa, Sea Gate sell-sword.


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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:29:31 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:

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I Wouldn't know about working for best buy or anywhere else that has to
deal with the unwashed masses of think they're so smart tech types.
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Only contract you'll ever need is unlimited minutes to the joisey jooboi,
so y'all can suck up to each other and discuss those hot steeds over by
the shore at Monmouth Park.

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unwashed masses? hahahaha...

I rest my case.


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"Is there anything in Guul Draz that doesn't suck the life out of you?"
 - Tarsa, Sea Gate sell-sword.


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@news.eternal-september.org:

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He doesn't know that. Didn't do his fact checking before posting, I
suppose.


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"Is there anything in Guul Draz that doesn't suck the life out of you?"
 - Tarsa, Sea Gate sell-sword.


Re: Queries about Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition and Client Firewall



On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:26:28 -0500, "FromTheRafters"

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Tantamount to an inverse syllogism.  :)

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I thought you would appreciate it.:o)



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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:52:12 -0500, "FromTheRafters"

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Holy smoke. 'Random acts of kindness' on Usenet?
This surely must be a dream.  :>)

Not since my earliest computing days when I anxiously fired up Flight
Simulator (by SubLogic back then) on my brand new Commodore 64
have I ever been so enamored and enthralled.

This well may evolve into a full-blown religous experience!!!

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