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I got a used machine here in SE Asia and it was full of pirated
software--in fact it was 100% pirated, even the AV program (ESET).
ESET, a very good AV program, detected no viruses.  Now being paranoid
I decided to replace it with Avira (freeware), which detected one
potential anti-privacy malware / virus in the root.  So I put that
malware in quarantine and replaced ESET with Avira.  That way I could
have my cake and eat it too--a HD full of tens of thousands of dollars
worth of software and no viruses.  If the seller intended to have a
backdoor to my machine, by perhaps doctoring ESET to allow such a
backdoor with some sort of rootkit, I foiled them.

Pretty clever of me, eh?

RL

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| I got a used machine here in SE Asia and it was full of pirated
| software--in fact it was 100% pirated, even the AV program (ESET).
| ESET, a very good AV program, detected no viruses.  Now being paranoid
| I decided to replace it with Avira (freeware), which detected one
| potential anti-privacy malware / virus in the root.  So I put that
| malware in quarantine and replaced ESET with Avira.  That way I could
| have my cake and eat it too--a HD full of tens of thousands of dollars
| worth of software and no viruses.  If the seller intended to have a
| backdoor to my machine, by perhaps doctoring ESET to allow such a
| backdoor with some sort of rootkit, I foiled them.

| Pretty clever of me, eh?

NO !

Whenever one gets a used machine, *ALWAYS* wipe the PC and re-install the OS of
choice
from scratch.

This is a "best practice" procedure.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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David H. Lipman wrote:
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But then he would most likely 'lose' all those pirated programs.  :)
Buffalo



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| But then he would most likely 'lose' all those pirated programs.  :)
| Buffalo

Which would be the ethical thing to do  :-)


--
Dave
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Hello, David!

imlibk02m4b@news4.newsguy.com
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:29:36 -0400

|> But then he would most likely 'lose' all those pirated programs.  :)
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In the real world. ;)
--
With best regards, gufus.  E-mail: stop.nospam.gbbsg@shaw.ca



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According to you on your pillar.

Others may not agree.


\Which would be the ethical thing to do  :-)


WTF?



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Best practice you say?  For the corporate world maybe. Unless you are
prepared to tell me that the doctored Windows 7 OS on my machine has
some sort of preexisting and immune virus in it, that allows some
pirate access to my machine, I think "best practice" is to scan the PC
for infections, remove same (and there's always at least one virus in
any pirated software machine), and then enjoy thousands of dollars of
software for a nominal fee.  Who needs Linux when you can have world
class software like from Adobe for $5?

Oh, in SE Asia btw even legal software costs a fraction of the US
price (typically one-half to one-fourth), and comes with a sticker
"this software cannot be exported outside of [Philippines] [Singapore]
[Thailand]".

Just in case when I bring my laptop into the USA some overzealous
Customs officer tries to arrest me, that would be my defense: I bought
said software in a legal s/w shop.

RL

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RayLopez99 wrote:

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This raydope retard at it again. This Raydope retard will now define 'world
class'.


There are not enough engineers to write bug fixes for micosahft
OSen. More viri is written EACH DAY than all of the engineers
at micoshaft and all of its partners can repair.

Some 500 million+ PCs infected with virus, botnets, trojanic horsies
and all the rest pushing fake pills, loans and mortgages you
won't want to believe.



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Look raydope tard, idiot, or double idiot, whatever suits you
best, just delete windopws and install Ubuntu Linux 10.10.
Search www.youtube.com for Ubuntu and compiz and see what you
are missing out. On top of that, Linux doesn't have any
of the windummy vulnerabilies so you can browse and work in peace
with world's fastest OS thats doing work for you instead of you
tearing out your hair waiting for a windummy computer to load.

Get into Linux asap - its all free to download, use and copy
and it comes free with source code through GPL license.
Courtesy of all those freedom software developers who like to make
this kind of software and release it free of charge to
noticed for bigger and important projects.



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Hello, 7!

message: 6lMjp.1579$js1.568@newsfe20.ams2
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:36:26 +0100:

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Everyone is always ranting and raving about Linux. It's OK IMHO

--
With best regards, gufus.  E-mail: stop.nospam.gbbsg@shaw.ca



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RayLopez99 wrote:
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If you say so.

What if the seller doctored the option rom?

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What is an "option rom"--you mean the BIOS?  Doctored the bios to
allow some sort of keyboard logging?  That's so diabolically clever
that if some pirate did that, I guess they deserve to clean out my
bank account just because they are diabolical evil geniuses.  Never
heard of that before but I guess it's possible.

RL


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RayLopez99 wrote:
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The BIOS firmware has provisions for running other firmware that needs
(or wants) to load before the OS. Option ROM is firmware typically
housed in EEPROM just like the BIOS is, except on a PCI card.

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Google for PCI rootkit. Keep in mind that this is not the 'mobile code'
kind of malware that most malware researchers deal with (or even believe
in).

The bottom line is that such a computer as you describe *could* have
been purpose built to harbor a rootkit. This is *not* a case of 'it
could have been infected' by normal use after being built as a normal
computer.

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Chances are very slim indeed, but I just thought it bears mentioning.
After all, what better SE than a deal "too good to be true".

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Thanks that was interesting.  I did read up on this and learned
something.  Apparently though these PCI rootkits are more theoretical
than what's actually found in the wild.

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Slim indeed, but possible, even and especially in the USA.  As for
this SE Asia deal, it was not 'too good to be true' but simply priced
at market (and the market prices here for software and hardware are
generally much less than the USA, though for hardware prices are about
the same as you can find at discount sales in the USA).

RL

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I have seen in  certain  parts of Asia including India, the price of
hardware and software are cheaper.....I even saw  legitimate
kaspersky internet security 2011 just sold at  12 USD for single
license in India...never understand how they were able to do that when
its usually priced much  higher in western countries...

 The KIS2011( kaspersky)  I saw in Philippine computer stores were
priced at 20USD per single license.


Roy

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Yes, I've seen that too in the P. and Thailand.  Like I say, the
software has a sticker that says "Not for export" but it's otherwise
100% legal (not a pirate copy).  Pirate copies (cracked copies) of
course are even cheaper, generally around USD $5.

But hardware is roughly the same as US west coast (FRY'S, etc) prices,
maybe a little cheaper (about $100 cheaper for a notebook, say $500
rather than $600 as in the USA).  I notice the chips are sometimes
made in far away places like Costa Rica for Intel and shipped to SE
Asia.

RL


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RayLopez99 wrote:
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That's the thing, unless they are numerous enough to warrant being
detected they will not be considered "in the wild" - usually "in the
wild" refers to the more prolific mobile code like viruses, worms, and
network distributed trojans.

[...]

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Setting aside the ethical issues,( which is a major  concerns only to
software manufacturers )  but even given less  thought by many PC
users  in that region (  Asia)  having treasure find of useful
expensive  softwares on one box can be considered a good  bonus for PC
buyers.

As  long as the programs work and useful for the new  owner  then its
better to keep it...
......
Roy

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Hello, Roy!

a593d907-f6b6-4526-8468-e2d3a518c771@o30g2000pra.googlegroups.com
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT):

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I could see /any/  buyer keeping the software.
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