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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?



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And I changed the subject where? You seem to be a bit confused. I
replied with the same subject line used by the person asking the
original question.



Jim.


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

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Try looking 5 posts down from the start:

Subject: Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.anti-virus

The reply, from you, was the first to include OT: in the subject.

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?



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Absolute nonsense!

I think you need a different newsreader so that you don't keep falsely
accusing people. Either that or get a decent newsfeed.

Did you look at the original message that I posted a link to?

In case your news server missed it, here it is in google groups
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.anti-virus/msg/ef4471ab5ca83307?dmode=source&hl=en

Here's the thread
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.anti-virus/browse_thread/thread/24b3b151976e1267/ef4471ab5ca83307?&hl=en#ef4471ab5ca83307

I didn't change the subject line *AT ALL*


Jim.


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?


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In case you want to compare them. Here are a few digests and
checksums.


The OP's subject line

MD5   3e91ce11aaf8610c35da011e508091cd
MD4   bc6b5a9af2f5ff4f08e04c6328898d78
SHA1   c37e05995a849c4fba2eb8f114f5a4503df56e38
SHA256
510d975ff298091ab053fbe79f37883e00fc26a79e536285bbabe15d8da1b601
SHA384
2f836f79bce832d0fa3945b1271dd976af0a439f2702cbece50ae24371d2c3694b72cc4f7e829430cac07b56a2d330b6
SHA512
3bf15888ba12f880945bb7c6c170736ebb0f75811679f479605138d6c6900da785d70d689f7ac0c5e487af8258be7672ee9b8ea9b085bd7250163950e4db527b
RIPEMD160   1e76e2101d4765301285c2e4d8e6e3cd1e417978
PANAMA
96b03a149492b17e83f2907f939b103dcb7f523fe1bf0981b80e25d75eaf77a4
TIGER   e726faa7e85f799a8331aa60e4ba128deeb88e6f7c6132b5
MD2   10f4d8aef82f5c39148d692e4e9b28b0
ADLER32   7432093c
CRC32   2531908a


My subject line (without the Re: )

MD5   3e91ce11aaf8610c35da011e508091cd
MD4   bc6b5a9af2f5ff4f08e04c6328898d78
SHA1   c37e05995a849c4fba2eb8f114f5a4503df56e38
SHA256
510d975ff298091ab053fbe79f37883e00fc26a79e536285bbabe15d8da1b601
SHA384
2f836f79bce832d0fa3945b1271dd976af0a439f2702cbece50ae24371d2c3694b72cc4f7e829430cac07b56a2d330b6
SHA512
3bf15888ba12f880945bb7c6c170736ebb0f75811679f479605138d6c6900da785d70d689f7ac0c5e487af8258be7672ee9b8ea9b085bd7250163950e4db527b
RIPEMD160   1e76e2101d4765301285c2e4d8e6e3cd1e417978
PANAMA
96b03a149492b17e83f2907f939b103dcb7f523fe1bf0981b80e25d75eaf77a4
TIGER   e726faa7e85f799a8331aa60e4ba128deeb88e6f7c6132b5
MD2   10f4d8aef82f5c39148d692e4e9b28b0
ADLER32   7432093c
CRC32   2531908a



Jim.


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

LOL that shut him up.

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

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http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.anti-virus/msg/ef4471ab5ca83307?dmode=source&hl=en
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http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.anti-virus/browse_thread/thread/24b3b151976e1267/ef4471ab5ca83307?&hl=en#ef4471ab5ca83307
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James - It appears that the posts had not reached the Usenet provider
that I'm using currently and that was the source of the confusion on my
part. I apologize for no seeing this until tonight.

As for buttheads reply below - this didn't shut me up, as I fully
apologize for my mistake and I'm man enough to admit with I've made a
mistake - something buttshead will never do.

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

2007 15:39:14 +0000, James Egan wrote: Begin  

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You talking about Buckwheat
the Black-Ice Bitch,
is he still around? <g>

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?



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Yep. The very same. He's not around as much as he used to be but each
time he returns he seems to be more incoherent than the previous time.

A while back he asked me to morph around his kill-file so that he
could read my posts. :)


Jim.


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2007 20:17:19 +0000, James Egan wrote: Begin  

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Can't even purge,
let alone configure his own KF,
sounds about right.

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:24:27 -0500, Leythos wrote: Begin  

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Why trust a 'firewall' to ride net nanny for you?
Just download anything you want and scan with a dedicated AV after
arrival. Unless your system is misconfigured into the bend over spread
wide mode, executing whatever arrives automatically.

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In many instances you can't trust everyone to do the right thing and you
can't trust the OS to be secure, that's the basics of security - trust
that something will get through.

So, with that in mind, the point is to provide as little exposure as
possible while still allowing work to be done.

It's best to only allow what is needed, rather than try and catch
everything that is not.

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Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:14:19 -0500, Leythos wrote: Begin  

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I hardly ever trust anyone to do the right thing,
just try to be prepared for whatever mischief they do

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Mine's as secure as I know how to make it

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Confidence that nothing can get through
is the basics of my security and peace of mind

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An invulnerable system configuration
provides that opportunity to do work
and even enjoy it

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Evaluating warez is an experiential process and the intrinsic 'need' of
anything is determined only after it's evaluated.

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Jim - are flashing lights on a router really telltale?  My router
lights are continually flashing even when seemingly nothing is running
- or at least nothing certainly should be inputting or outputting.
In fact, I have a on/off toggle on my modem with which I can shut off
web access manually - and even then the router lights still are
flashing continually.  I have done this out of fear that something is
going on in the background that I don't know about - but seemingly the
router continues to do whatever it is having a mind to do.

What do you think?

Jethro


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?



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Look in particular for the one which flashes showing Internet
activity. If you suspect something might be amiss, there are utilities
available for download which you can use to determine which programs
are active. TCPView is a good one for TCP/IP connections. Process
Explorer for checking which processes are running.


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/networkingutilities.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Processesandthreadsutilities.mspx

Jim.


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

Dickie Peters wrote:
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It won't offer any additional protection. It will give you warnings
when programs try to connect to the Internet, which may or may not be
malware. It could well cause all kinds of headaches, perhaps because
you answered "no" to something you should have said "yes" to. Firewalls
like ZA are the cause of many problems, especially for less technically
knowledgeable users. ZA itself is also quite a resource hog.

It is worth reflecting that most networks are protected by a firewall /
router box that can *only* block inbound connections, and not alert on
outbound connections because, as a separate box, it has no idea at all
of the origin of any outbound connection. Therefore the necessity of
such "protection" is debatable, except as a marketing tool.


Re: OT: Is Firewall necessary?

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As long as you mean "applications" then yes, most firewalls (appliances)
don't have a clue about what "application" us sending outbound, but,
many quality devices (firewall) can block outbound traffic based on
several factory, and some can even alert you to traffic on port X.

Oh, and most routers and all firewalls can block outbound traffic
through various means - some can only block ports, without respect to
what IP they originate from, firewalls can allow you to block SMTP
outbound from your entire network with exception for the dedicated Mail
server - making it impossible for local computers/users compromised with
a SMTP worm to directly spread outside your LAN.

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